Tavor ammo review

[Big_Red]

LMFAO

So what tweaks are those?

Just accept that the rifle is at best a 1.5moa rifle with factory ammo and maybe just maybe a 1moa rifle with well developed hand loads. That isn't a bad thing, it's actually quite good considering the design so I don't know why you are getting so defensive. It's a fact and no one is bashing the rifle for it just pointing put the obvious. If you or anyone else can actually show the rifle shooting better groups (at least 5 round and not 5 minutes between shots) then maybe some opinions will change.
The only reason the Tavor is even on the map is because it's non restricted. You can buy 2 decent AR's for the price of one Tavor and if the AR was non restricted no one would buy a $2700 rifle that doesn't shoot as well and needs a bunch of "tweaks". I actually liked the Tavors I've shot just the way they were and had a good time shooting them. I understand the rifle is not a sniper or DMR rifle and accept it for what it is and also what it was designed to do.
I like the Tavor but it just isn't one of the must have rifles on my list.

The AR will never be toast. There is a reason it's been around since 1958 and is going stronger than ever. If our stupid government would pull their heads out of their ass and make it non restricted the AR would be as popular in Canada as it is in the US.

Tavor goes sub moa. Heard it here first but will see it here never.
Good luck waiting for someone else to come up with the tweaks that will magically transform the Tavor into a moa or better rifle. Then we'll have to see if you can actually shoot it.

Enjoy it for what it is and not what it isn't.

Exactly. The only reason the Tavor enjoys the popularity it does in Canada is because of it's non restricted status. It's a decent rifle but you can buy a more capable AR at half the cost.

 

[One Lung Wonder]

Exactly. The only reason the Tavor enjoys the popularity it does in Canada is because of it's non restricted status. It's a decent rifle but you can buy a more capable AR at half the cost.

Nope. Boys, the IDF is replacing their AR15/M16 platform with the Tavor. Those squaddies are in it every day and if they are telling me the Tavor is a better gun than the AR platform I am inclined to believe them. Unlike us gun club duffers and fan boys - they have skin in the game and they risk it every time they play. The gun is taking off in the USA too - as it should! This gun does everything the AR battle rifle will do in a smaller, handier package. I say that as a former AR15 owner.

The AR can be pimped into a precision gun but what's the point? When the military needs precision sniper work done they turn to the proper tool for the job like a tuned bolt gun in muscle calibers from the .50BMG on down.

Our militaries stick with the AR not because they are better guns - but because they are so heavily invested in it. We have warehouses full of them. We have standing inventories of spare parts and tried and true vendors to supply them. Our armourers and squaddies understand them forwards and backwards. Going to a new gun means $$$$ - it's like arguing that the CF18 can rival the new F35's...you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

The Tavor is ahead of its time and I suspect it has a bright future ahead of it.

 

[ntm]

The tavor was built for a conscript army that fights at very close quarters, and is required by doctrine to carry their rifles everywhere, at all times.
This lead to a very durable rifle, that traded accuracy for robustness.
It is what it is.

 

[hbean]

Both AR and Tavor were designed to be a military grade rifle (i.e. rack grade) where the acceptable accuracy is definitely not sub MOA.

Until Noveske, Knight,LMT or larue start making Tavors, comparing the accuracy of a Tavor with a boutique or civilian grade AR is just laughable, just go and enjoy what ever rifle you own and stop worrying about what other people are doing.

 

[bush1]

The tavor was built for a conscript army that fights at very close quarters, and is required by doctrine to carry their rifles everywhere, at all times.
This lead to a very durable rifle, that traded accuracy for robustness.
It is what it is.

That's the way I see it as well. And as long its accuracy meets Minute of Coyote standards, its a great gun for me.
Just wish they had a conversion kit for 30-30 caliber and I would use it for bush deer hunting as well.

 

[quorum]

Thanks Mike for the great work. How much is VMAX ammo? There's none in the stores near my area, so I can't go check myself.

 

[mikethebike]

Thanks Mike for the great work. How much is VMAX ammo? There's none in the stores near my area, so I can't go check myself.

It something between 22 to 26 bucks for a box of 20. depending on where you get them. Wanstalls has some, but not on their online store, you'd need to call them when they're open.

If you relead you can get a box of 100 of the 50 grain ones for about 26 bucks.

 

[One Lung Wonder]

The tavor was built for a conscript army that fights at very close quarters, and is required by doctrine to carry their rifles everywhere, at all times.
This lead to a very durable rifle, that traded accuracy for robustness.
It is what it is.

How do ya figure? A rack grade AR does about 1.5 MOA. The Tavor does 1.5 MOA. I think it is false snobbery to look down your nose at the IDF as a 'conscript' military as well. They have been kicking the cans of countless volunteer armies and militias for over half a century. They are not pikers - if they were they would have been defeated long ago.

 

[ntm]

How do ya figure? A rack grade AR does about 1.5 MOA. The Tavor does 1.5 MOA. I think it is false snobbery to look down your nose at the IDF as a 'conscript' military as well. They have been kicking the cans of countless volunteer armies and militias for over half a century. They are not pikers - if they were they would have been defeated long ago.

I'm not looking down my nose at anybody.
I'm just saying the tavor was built to fulfill the idf's general needs.
Long range accuracy wasn't one of those needs. Their ct teams still use the ar, it's the line units being issued the "dummy proof" tavor.
Comparing a rack grade ar to a tavor is somewhat asinine, the ar has much more potential.
Sure the tavor can be free floated, rebarreled, aftermarket trigger, and such, but it's still a long stroke gas piston...
I like my tavor, but I've owned enough nice ar's to know what's what.

 

[Big_Red]

Nope. Boys, the IDF is replacing their AR15/M16 platform with the Tavor. Those squaddies are in it every day and if they are telling me the Tavor is a better gun than the AR platform I am inclined to believe them. Unlike us gun club duffers and fan boys - they have skin in the game and they risk it every time they play. The gun is taking off in the USA too - as it should! This gun does everything the AR battle rifle will do in a smaller, handier package. I say that as a former AR15 owner.

Ok, taking the advice of IDF "squaddies" is retarded. The average soldier in any army has no basis for comparison to make judgements about other weapons systems. The average soldiers knows what they are issued and little beyond that.

I've been on contracts with a whole host of weapons systems to choose from depending on mission. Every guy that has their head screwed on straight chooses an AR variant as his primary for general purpose work when they are available. I've never heard a single person comment that they'd want a bullpup of any variety.

 

[beltfed]

I shot my AR15 with 3 shot groups, the SL8 with three shot groups, and now the Tavor..
Sorry boys, but three shot groups are absolutely valid for test purposes...

The information has been posted and it is all over for you to research on why a 3 round group is not an accurate benchmark for accuracy.

This gun, under optimal conditions off the bench will rival most black rifles out there with proper ammo, and beat a lot of them. The AR can do better but it will need special modifications to do so. This is a matter of public record being proven with accepted test procedures.

I wonder why some kids feel threatened over this?

Not threatened at all. I personally would like to see this forum be known for accurate information, the posts contain factual info and not see it slide into the joke it is becoming.

 

[andrew3081]

Exactly. The only reason the Tavor enjoys the popularity it does in Canada is because of it's non restricted status. It's a decent rifle but you can buy a more capable AR at half the cost.

Tons of American would disagree with you.
Tavor is pretty popular in USA even tho both ar15 and tavor are considered non restricted in the states.

 

[enefgee]

The Brits issue a bullpup service rifle..................unless of course you're more valuable to the military than the average soldier, then they give you an AR. Same in Australia, actually. Funny that. Here on the civvy front in Canada, there are more folks who shoot NR than who shoot restricted, by a factor of about 3, so it's no surprise that even at twice the cost of a good quality AR, there's a lot of interest in them. Frankly, it's cheaper to get a restricted PAL, join a club and buy an AR - never understood the aversion to restricted's.

 

[ntm]

Tons of American would disagree with you.
Tavor is pretty popular in USA even tho both ar15 and tavor are considered non restricted in the states.

The Americans have their own goofy laws to work around.
Namely sbr's being taboo without a tax stamp.
Hence the interest in the tavor as it provides a shorter overall length without a tax stamp for a shorter than 16" barrel.

 

[One Lung Wonder]

Not threatened at all. I personally would like to see this forum be known for accurate information, the posts contain factual info and not see it slide into the joke it is becoming.

Very well, I shall do my best to keep you informed and will correct your mistakes as required!

For the rest of you - bring it out to the range! What better way to pass the time of day than on the range, where the proof is in the pudding...

 

[quorum]

It something between 22 to 26 bucks for a box of 20. depending on where you get them. Wanstalls has some, but not on their online store, you'd need to call them when they're open.

If you relead you can get a box of 100 of the 50 grain ones for about 26 bucks.

wow! I got into the .223 for the inexpensive ammo. If I'm going to have to pay that much, I might as well buy a 308 semi-auto for accuracy.

 

[mikethebike]

wow! I got into the .223 for the inexpensive ammo. If I'm going to have to pay that much, I might as well buy a 308 semi-auto for accuracy.

VMAX is premium ammo for hunting, so yah it's a dollar a round. Inexpensive bulk ammo really doesnt shoot that well.

 

[Gunnerlove]

We'll see, boys, we'll see!

This rifle is only a few tweaks away and once those are made the AR is toast. Hell, it is already! The Tavor gives the same accuracy the AR does in a smaller, handier package. I will stay with my three shot groups, the object of accuracy testing off the bench is to eliminate human error and shooter fatique. This rifle will be going sub MOA for most determined shooters within two years. You heard it here first!

5 round groups cause fatigue? Wow, just wow.

 

[enefgee]

5 round groups cause fatigue? Wow, just wow.

I would have thought that you'd know that.

 

[mikethebike]

5 round groups cause fatigue? Wow, just wow.

I think he meant in my case, 7 hours of shooting on Friday for all those groups. Yes I had some major finger and eye fatigue when I finally got to the VMAX.