Burris now has F-Class Scopes - and they look real good.

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i was also excited just before i saw...its a FFP !!! and what about the reticle !!!!??? I'm sure the designers at Burris are not F-classer to do something like that. Glass must be good though...
 
Always happy when new scopes come onto the market but this one doesn't have features I would want in an F class scope.

ZERO stop does nothing for me.

Can live with FFP IF the reticle doesn't get thick at full mag. The specs suggest it will be ok???? BUT the reticle will be near impossible to see if you need to dial down magnification.

What is the optics like? All the burris scopes I have see were only so so but this is a new scope with new collaboration so maybe.....?????

Lit reticle? why? At 10 min spacings? Again, why?

Goofy reticle? why? If they just kept the "bottom" part in the center, decent reticle and I like the 1/2 MOA spacings of the hash marks. Assume marking are correct subtension?

Huge elevation but limited windage - this is not good. Not everyone wants to use the reticle for hold offs. Also will the scope bind if lots of elevation and/or windage adjustment is put in? F Class scopes should have more windage then elevation assuming they can design the internal parts to not bind.

We certainly do not need an addn 20 min for elevation from the reticle as they suggest in their write up.... Our targets rarely try and run away.

34MM is a goofy ring size which compounds the issue of limited windage scope adjustment.

Objective is quite small for the mag - is this an issue in daylight shooting????

Weight is decent. Size is decent. Rated eye relief is decent.

No close pics of that turret markings. Looks to be a ton of stuff on it. Why?

So this is NOT an F class specific scope. At least based on the features many of us look for.

YMMV

Jerry
 
"1/8 clicks, zero stop and a reasonable price"

Exactly why I would be very cautious before buying, but.... what makes you call it an F-Class scope? That is not a competition reticle by ANY definition, and FFP is not a desirable feature in known distance shooting.
 
Why are you guys against the FFP? It's the only way to keep the reticle measurements correct across the zoom range. I know the reticle gets bigger and smaller as the zoom is changed and with 8-40 I'm sure it changes quite a bit but I have to assume they've done the math and found a balance. I have an IOR in FFP and I think it's great.

As for the price - it's in line with a sightron and those are well regarded.

As for the 34 mm tube - you need a fat tube to get the elevation at 40x - if it was a 30mm tube it would probably only have about 50 MOA elevation.

The windage of only 30 MOA is a head scratcher - I'll give ya that. But realistically I cant recall ever needing 15 minutes of wind. The scope will need to be right on center of the rifle though.

The reticle would take some getting used to - hopefully they will start to offer options.

I was reading on 6MMBR http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/01/new-burris-8-40x50mm-xtr-ii-scope-for-1199-00-msrp/

And the idea with the second horizontal line is to reach out an additional 20 MOA past center. Is this big wisdom or crazy? I dunno.

I'm not personally fond of mega zoom scopes and the 5-25 version is in Mils not MOA. So again here we are close but no cigar.
 
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Hmmm...........so 70 MOA elevation...........is that taking into account the 40 moa on the crosshair hashes? Is it possible that the internals are 30 moa for both elevation and windage and the 40 moa hash-marked crosshairs are making up the balance?
If this is the case it seams more of a bait and switch sales gimmick, kind of like trying to market a tactical scope to the F class shooters......
 
As for the price - it's in line with a sightron and those are well regarded.
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Sightron S3 are also built in Japan (more expensive to do so) versus the Philippines for the Burris.

Just the same, it'll be interesting to see how the Burris performs once they hit the market. Perhaps they learned something from Steiner.
 
BadAsMo said:
Why are you guys against the FFP? It's the only way to keep the reticle measurements correct across the zoom range. I know the reticle gets bigger and smaller as the zoom is changed and with 8-40 I'm sure it changes quite a bit but I have to assume they've done the math and found a balance. I have an IOR in FFP and I think it's great.
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Reticle has 1/2min hash marks at 40X. These will disappear or become near impossible to see well at lower mag. Most shooters are not young and our eyes are not young.

BadAsMo said:
As for the price - it's in line with a sightron and those are well regarded.

As for the 34 mm tube - you need a fat tube to get the elevation at 40x - if it was a 30mm tube it would probably only have about 50 MOA elevation.
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SIII8-32 has 70mins of elevation and windage. SIII10-50 has 50mins for W&E. Why do you need a 34mm tube for any distance shot in F class? Why is 70 mins of elevation important?

BadAsMo said:
The windage of only 30 MOA is a head scratcher - I'll give ya that. But realistically I cant recall ever needing 15 minutes of wind. The scope will need to be right on center of the rifle though.
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I guess you have never shot in Nokomis???

BadAsMo said:
The reticle would take some getting used to - hopefully they will start to offer options.

I was reading on 6MMBR http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/01/new-burris-8-40x50mm-xtr-ii-scope-for-1199-00-msrp/

And the idea with the second horizontal line is to reach out an additional 20 MOA past center. Is this big wisdom or crazy? I dunno.

I'm not personally fond of mega zoom scopes and the 5-25 version is in Mils not MOA. So again here we are close but no cigar.
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Again, why do we need any extra elevation? When the targets blow off the stands and floats downrange, we are allowed to stop shooting....

Jerry
 
Looks like a tactical scope to me. 30 MOA of adjustment plus 40 in the reticle should be more than enough for any shooter on earth. If it isn't..then go home and drink liquor.
 
BadAsMo said:
So you can accurately make scope adjustments to get back on zero.
Have you ever got lost in the changes in a switchy wind?
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Not following. Shot in all kinda of crazy weird winds and never used the reticle to get back to zero. Are you saying you hold your mil reticle on the shot on target to figure out how many clicks you need to get back to zero?
 
There are no anger management issues here, just knowledgeable F-Class shooters who know what is needed, and what they look for in a TRUE F-class scope.
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They made a scope that has a mix of features that F-Class shooters like and features that tactical shooters like. Unfortunately, it will not appeal to either. F'ers won't like the reticle or that its FFP, tacticle shooters won't like that its in MOA (and even less that its 1/8 MOA).

Longshot said:
Not following. Shot in all kinda of crazy weird winds and never used the reticle to get back to zero. Are you saying you hold your mil reticle on the shot on target to figure out how many clicks you need to get back to zero?
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That's the only thing I use... The reticle in an FFP scope is a ruler that is right in front of your nose and always accurate, there is no math to think about. Miss reads 0.7 mils, correct 0.7 mils. Whatever the distance is, is irrelevant.
 
I agree. Burris is making a big mistake(IMO) trying to please two different styles of shooters by combining all these features into this scope. On the other hand, the 3-15, 4-20 and 5-25 look very interesting. The prices are very attractive for someone that wants all the tactical features(FFP,mil,34mm)and not having to take out a loan.
Looks kind a like the Steiner Tactical. I guess you can say, its a poor man Steiner.:cool:
 
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ffp is a wasted feature in known distance shooting....having a very fine reticle at all magnifications is what i would want, having a fat magnified reticle as a ffp scope offers is definately not an advantage to known distance when key is precision...
 
martinjozwa said:
ffp is a wasted feature in known distance shooting....having a very fine reticle at all magnifications is what i would want, having a fat magnified reticle as a ffp scope offers is definately not an advantage to known distance when key is precision...
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FFP is for tactical where distance is not known and variance is expected.
 
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