The last Japanese warrior...

Some joined the French Foreign Legion and fought on. Many Nazi scientists were welcome by their captors with open arms and continued to ply their trades in military R&D programs.

Anyone who saw or participated in the atrocities of that war lived their own private hell the rest of their lives. They may not have seen justice in a legal sense, but they had to live with what they did or failed to do. Karma's a #####.

Not all Germans in that war were Nazis. Some were just regular folks drafted into the service. They served their country as anyone would. They must also bear the stigma of being Nazi, even though they weren't. No one got out of that war safely. Everyone suffered.
 
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I'm sorry that my spelling isnt good enough for you... Yes i'm an historian, yes I teach history, and yes , like some other gentlemen pointed out, english is not my first language. This being said sir, I'm sure that you can appreciate the fact that we (those who arent anglophones in the first place) can contribute to this forum in you language. I'm canadian born, raised in french, fluid in english (wich I learned while serving in the Canadian Forces and in college), and pretty decent in latin... What about you???

By the way, thanks to Rugdoc, Jfred :)
 
I don't know if we can characterize an entire race of people as vicious fighters. What we can say is, this group of soldiers seems to have given into their blood lust. The stories bear out the theory that the Emperor worship not only resulted in subhuman behaviour, but was keenly encouraged. A sobering thought. That entire war is full of stories of soldiers of all sides going "over the edge" into murderous insanity. It's unfortunate for the Japanese that many of these stories come from their side.

I know nothing of Japan, but I'm glad this veteran (whatever he might have done) has been given a warm welcome home. At last, his people can release him from the delusion that he let them down somehow. This is speculation, but the fact that he didn't commit harakiri tells me he was having a crisis of conscience about the whole thing. He couldn't kill himself, so he must have believed there was hope for a better life. The warrior who believes all is lost will kill himself content that he did all he could. This man seems to be in deep conflict. Also the shame that he had a conscience seems to have kept him in the field all those years. It's a brave man who can fight with his own mind and win.

Granted that the entire Japanese race cannot be labelled as vicious, and while not trying to demonize the Japanese, but you also have to remember that even to this day a significantly large portion of the Japanese population refuses to believe their soldiers did anything wrong or even that they committed atrocities, that the gruesome stories that came out of numerous occupied countries is in fact made up and until recently and only because of years of requests from larger trading partner governments that they even offered an apology for past internationally documented atrocities.

They still refuse to teach in schools the real facts concerning their involvement in the 2nd world war, their leaders still pay homage to shines for convicted war criminals, and until recently only just started paying compensation to victims families even after courts had demanded it. It took the 50th anniversary for the Government to issue a apology for the mass murders and terrible atrocities to the Chinese for the Rape of Nanking, these facts alone should make the average decent person question why are they so reticent to accept responsibility or shame for their many foul and despicable past deeds of their military and civil leadership.

The problem we have in the West is we try to look past the past evil deeds of our major trading partner because it benefits us now while basically writing off all those that were murdered or died fighting for our freedoms. We have a habit of ignoring the past and believing that it could never happen again which only then makes it easier for the past to revisit us in the future.

Who knows why this idiot continued on in his crazy beliefs, it would have been better for all if he had killed himself and the fact that he was warmly welcomed home after killing innocents after the war ended and was given many opportunities to end his own little war worries me about the future Japanese generation. In no way would I consider him a hero or warrior, more like a war criminal who was acting on his own with no chain of command or check and balance on his behavior. Nobody was at war with him, he was at war with everybody else.

Also most Japanese do not believe in god or karma like we do, their god was the Emperor, and who says he had any regrets, maybe he regrets not killing more wide eyes or the war ending too soon!
 
That's another perspective. I wasn't aware that Japan doesn't teach anything about WWII in schools. Is that arrogance or shame?

Based upon the Japanese tourists I saw at Pearl Harbor, its arrogance...Many years ago I underook a visit to a section of the Burma Railway near Kanchanaburi. Built by prisoners and Asian labourers, it is estimated that one person died for each sleeper laid over the 400+ kilometers of railway. Approx. 100,000 lives...... Some prisoners depicted in drawings the horrendous conditions and brutality....Some of the drawings I've seen made me feel sick to my stomach...I'll never forget it.
 
That's another perspective. I wasn't aware that Japan doesn't teach anything about WWII in schools. Is that arrogance or shame?

It is true that Japan has downplayed or hidden much about WWII and what its armies did.

In answer to your question, I think it's both.

I think the current generation of Japanese should not be held to blame for the crimes of their grandparents, but at the same time there is a strong thread of racial and cultural superiority that runs through Japanese culture - and such beliefs tend to be the fertilizer of inhuman acts - the belief that group A (racial, religious, national, doesn't matter ) is inherently superior to group B, so that the lives of group B are not worth as much as the lives of group A.
 
That's another perspective. I wasn't aware that Japan doesn't teach anything about WWII in schools. Is that arrogance or shame?

Read this link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies

Just don't be so quick or eager to think of the Japs as so nice and innocent and no different than most during that time frame in world history, they have been very successful in getting away as the saying goes with murder. We in the west like to think the best about others and forget the past, which dishonors the sacrifices of those who died.

At least the Germans admitted from the start the Nazi atrocities and paid extensive compensation to victims and outlawed the Nazi party and banned it mention and support in public as well as forced all schools to teach what really happened. Most Germans of that era express true sorrow for what the Nazi's did, plus they never committed anywhere near the atrocities the Japs did to captured POWS.

The Japs came out of post WWII pretty easy if you ask me, all the population was fully behind and in support of the Emperor and the military and prepared to fight to the death if invaded, that's why they had to nukem, pity they only did two cities. The German population was nowhere near as fanatic.

Now they are our best buddies if you ask some and they can't be that bad because they make good cars!
 
I wasn't aware that Japan doesn't teach anything about WWII in schools. Is that arrogance or shame?

Yes, they did learn all about it in school. Well... atleast my wifes generation did. It also depends on who was paying attention in history class. (That is why I played devils advocate. I felt the hate of the Japanese people was personal attack towards my wife)

It is a combination of guilt, shame, and arrogance. Many know of it and choose not to discuss it. As for the Empire, it is dead and will never be reborn. My wife's generation cares more about British Royal Family the they do their Emperor.
 
Yes, they did learn all about it in school. Well... atleast my wifes generation did. It also depends on who was paying attention in history class. (That is why I played devils advocate. I felt the hate of the Japanese people was personal attack towards my wife)

It is a combination of guilt, shame, and arrogance. Many know of it and choose not to discuss it. As for the Empire, it is dead and will never be reborn. My wife's generation cares more about British Royal Family the they do their Emperor.

I think this has to be an extremely difficult question to answer for most Japanese. I don't envy them. I certainly wouldn't saddle the young people with the sins of their grandparents. Certainly there were dissenters in Japan during that era.

What's more telling is how world powers value money and power over justice. The ignoring of war crimes in the interests of trade is unsettling.
 
I think you not know the Italin POW in Kenya and South Africa in the Second World War; the italian had the same problems like the Boers in 1900. The Italian army has done some terrible things in the Colonies of Africa and during the occupation of Greece and Jugoslavia ( we and the slavs doesn't like each other too much since the Great War). We hade our War Criminals but we prefer to not remebmber that part of History; also because we had also a civil war started in 1943 and finished in 1945 between the Members and supporters of the Fascist pro Germans and the so called Italian Partisans ( Liberals, Democrats, Socialist, Repubblicans, Comunist, Monarchist and Anarchist).

history is not so simple

regards

I went looking for information on the experiences of Italian POWs in South Africa and Kenya after you suggested they suffered some kind of harsh treatment. All I could find was people talking about how they were allowed to work outside the camps if they wanted to and how so many of the stayed in South Africa or returned after the war. Am I missing something here?

The Italians did suffer at the hands of the Wehrmacht after their armistice with the Allies, including large scale massacres of thousands of unarmed Italian POWs on the Greek Islands and elsewhere, as I posted about a few months back. Perhaps that was the karmic debt for all the Italian massacres in Eritrea and Ethiopia a few years before. What goes around has a funny way of coming around, sometimes sooner, sometimes later.

If you've got some details I'm interested to learn more.
 
What's more telling is how world powers value money and power over justice. The ignoring of war crimes in the interests of trade is unsettling.

Again... where did you get this information?

The Americans occupied Japan for 6 years. During this time they dismantled the Empire and instated a democratic government system. It was an experiment which happened to succeed unlike Iraq.

The majority of war criminals were sentenced to death or imprisonment. Although the Emperor and many of the brass were spared by General MacArthur. Why? They traded knowledge and technology. Same goes with the spared Nazi war criminals. Knowledge and technology.
 
Saving the Emperor probably spared the US a lot of insurgency I bet.

Everyone who fought them new it was going to be last man standing. To the Japanese tradition was everything and so was racial superiority. To them winning or to die trying were the only options and anyone who lived by a lesser code was not worthy of life. So they dominated, obliterated and destroyed everything they crossed paths with. The only thing that stopped them was when they finally saw that they would be annihilated.

They were living by a code that should have died out long before. The rest of us must remember what those ideologies brought into this world and denounce them aggressively whenever and wherever they may pop up. It's unfortunate that these things do still pop up, especially these days when we all share information so freely. Everyone knows but so few do anything. Darfur, Rwanda, etc, nothing seems to change, only the names of those involved and the places they happen. Lest we forget.
 
I doubt today's Japan will ever go back to those dark times. The nation has changed and its people completely pacified. The young Japanese generation have all been 'corrupted' by western values and would never again worship a human emperor with such total blindness and single minded devotion. The new fanatics these days are AQ jihadists and an increasingly bold and aggressive China that wants to dominate the world and its resources.
 
There is a growing group of reactionaries in Japan who long for the old ways, glorify Japan's war deeds and hate the west. They are steadily growing in numbers and influence and if the economy and standard of living were to tumble badly in Japan these groups are well placed to take advantage of that. Remember Hitler's rise in Germany during the Depression.
 
There is a growing group of reactionaries in Japan who long for the old ways, glorify Japan's war deeds and hate the west. They are steadily growing in numbers and influence and if the economy and standard of living were to tumble badly in Japan these groups are well placed to take advantage of that. Remember Hitler's rise in Germany during the Depression.

What, the Yakuza? Great story, very unlikely.

I would be more worried about Neo-nazis and skin-heads. Many more of them floating around in Germany and in the USA, Canada... etc. If you think about it, Germany had already conquered Europe financially. 3rd times the charm.
 
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Being an historian and having the chance to teach history for a living is a blessing, beleive me. I like the many discussions about historical topics in this forum because they show so many differents points of vue and perspectives. But honestly, I must state that because one have read a few books and have a opinion, that still doesnt make him an historian. The historical porcess by itself is a long one and it demands a solid formation. That being said, everyone is intitled to his own point of vue, that still doesnt means its the truth. As many knows, in history only the facts are certain, the rest, mostly interpretations, are a construction made by historians by reaching some concensus in the scientific community. Many would be surprised how difficult it is to reach a concensus within this historians community nowadays. The Interpretation of historical facts must be made after considering the facts themself, selecting the sources, taking in account the past historiography and so on and so on... Its called the historical method and its teached at the university. Its teached during the first year of most history programs so the futurs historians wont be tempted to give quick, emotional or easy interpretations to historical facts after reading a few books on the subject. The same goes for the books themselves. Not all of the monographies (about ww2 for exemple) have been written by qualified historians. Some history books are political statement, other are only giving the point of vue of the author etc etc. So all of this to say the one must be very very carefull when attempting to give a judgment about historical event as we know them. Of course history is written by those who won, but that doesnt mean its all lies and propaganda... Honestlly, you'd be surprised by the way most historians today consider that period. We shoulld have some modesty when its time to make sens of historical events, its not as simple as many seems to think. But about the present subject, I can say that its broadly admitted that the Japan and Germany went way deeper in the organized horror then the western allies all combined (I,m not talking about the soviets here because they werent in the initial discussion). I'm not saying that the allies had their hands clean all along, but to put them on the same level as germany and Japan is an insult to the victims and an shortcut in historical reasoning.

Well said.

For those who think all sides were equally bad during WWII, they need only look at how each treated those it conquered.
 
Again... where did you get this information?

The Americans occupied Japan for 6 years. During this time they dismantled the Empire and instated a democratic government system. It was an experiment which happened to succeed unlike Iraq.

The majority of war criminals were sentenced to death or imprisonment. Although the Emperor and many of the brass were spared by General MacArthur. Why? They traded knowledge and technology. Same goes with the spared Nazi war criminals. Knowledge and technology.

Why are you objecting to my opinion (which is all it is)? It would appear you just agreed with me that technology and knowledge, which translates into wealth and power was more important than serving justice on the leaders. I'm not just talking about Japan anymore. This could be true of many regimes. They wanted to benefit from the knowledge without getting their hands dirty. It's a question of ethics, more than anything. If knowledge and understanding is obtained by the suffering of another human being (Mengele), is it ethical to benefit from that knowledge? I don't have an answer.
 
The Yakuza are just Japanese mafia, a bunch of thugs. I am talking about far right politicians and business leaders teaming up just like they did in the 1930's in Japan. Neo-nazis and skinheads haven't the intelligence to organize a one man rush to the outhouse let alone take over the levers of power.

What, the Yakuza? Great story, very unlikely.

I would be more worried about Neo-nazis and skin-heads. Many more of them floating around in Germany and in the USA, Canada... etc. If you think about it, Germany had already conquered Europe financially. 3rd times the charm.
 
I went looking for information on the experiences of Italian POWs in South Africa and Kenya after you suggested they suffered some kind of harsh treatment. All I could find was people talking about how they were allowed to work outside the camps if they wanted to and how so many of the stayed in South Africa or returned after the war. Am I missing something here?

Well you will find news about the Italian POW in Kenya, South Africa and India only in Italian books and documents about them: you must remeber we are in the Losing site, sad about it but happy because the victory of the Germans and the Japanish will be a tragedy for the world, but we prefere rember that after September the 8th 1943 we started the war with the Allies against the Nazis and the Fascists still present in the country. I agree with you the Italian POW in the germans concentration camps ( about 500.000) was not a happy vacation but also the 100.000 in the Russian hands had not a easy life. We sent an entire army in Russia of 240.000 men and we lost the 70% of them, also some of my parents. My granfather ( father of my father) was a machinegun crew in Greece, Albania, Invaded Jugoslavia, the guerilla war against the Tito Army in Montenegro and Kosovo. After the armistice He refused to enter in the Salò Repubblic so the Wermacht sent him in a Auswitz satellite campo since the liberation by the Russian Army. The Russian Army took him prisoner and sent him in a gulag over the Urals. He came back home in 1947, after 11 years in the army.

regards
 
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