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Embarassingly I only just realized this manufacturer exists, which could be providential: As the thread title suggests, I am looking at information about a target pistol, having first set my heart on a CZ Shadow 75T but am not willing to make a trip to Brno, Czechoslovakia for a lack of their presence here.

Does anyone have experienced comments regarding this GP model, not necessarily in comparison to the Shadow 75T? Particularly about functions: I like my Beretta 92 but in competitions (which I'd like to partake in), having a DA/SA design with a decocker/safety (that while it is sometimes useful, a controlled competition it'd be nice to always enjoy the single weight of SA) somewhat defeats the purpose when I could instead be a total conformist and use a striker fired model. :stirthepot2: :p So I've endured with usually being efficient in flipping the safety, and DA shooting the first shots of each drill. I've already converted the trigger weights (Newtons) to units that mean something to me - 5.5lbs SA and 8.9lbs DA which is a bit lighter than the 92s respective weights. In my opinion there has never been a semi-auto pistol as .... umm, "voloptuous" as the Italian dolls with their partial slides and fine lines... so with an eye for speed and consistant feel in trigger pull (and coveted adjustable rear sight) I wish to add another baby to the family.

#1 - Unlikely(considering cost difference), but has GP went about refinements as the CZ custom shop has with the 75T?
#2 - Is the GP equiped with the decocker safety?
#3 - Although from the same part of the world, how does quality compare to the CZ?
#4 - Useful accessories: Although there are easier holsters to draw from, I know that retention holsters like Blackhawk offers are only made for popular models - CZ target, might fit in the standard CZ holster but are similar holsters available for the GP? Or what does everyone else use for their GPs? Extra magazines - available like the pistols are?
#5 - Why is there such a large price difference between this and "similar" CZs?
#6 - Do they function reliably as other pistols? (My Beretta has set the bar high having fired close to 2500rds with no issue) And are the controls ergonomic and easy to operate with large hands such as I have? I noticed in a picture the mag release button looks recessed. I'd handle one at the dealers but as the CZ T, there are non in stock. Naturally when either becomes available I don't want to faff about over details that could have be reconciled before: As the saying goes, the early bird gets the worm.
 
Can't really help you on the Target model but I have an STI badged K 100 style grand power and it's a very nice shooting accurate gun.
The only thing I can add is the takedown release is a bit goofy with the trigger guard style latch.
I'd be tempted to wait for the next generation where they plan on standardizing the latch with the glock style buttons and have a solid guard with no hole through the dust cover area of the frame.
There are some pretty good prices right now though on the current generation Dlask is selling....... and they do shoot great!
 
Here's their press release from last september,
This year, the company GRAND POWER plans the full implementation of the new Mk12 handle for selected pistol models. This handle was introduced in 2011 to the sub-compact P11 model where it was proven to full satisfaction. This year, the production of X-Calibur, K100 and P1 model will be introduced using the new handle. Also, the new sub-compact CP380 and T11 models and the P40 and P45 models have been produced using the new Mk12 handle from their very beginning.

The main feature of the new Mk12 handle concept is dismantling using sliding catch replacing the original trigger guard stop. This innovation offers higher handle durability, extends the life of the handle, increases reliability of the pistol and simplifies dismantling of the pistol.
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I was looking at either a shadow or a sig for the same purposes more or less. Since I couldn't make my mind up the price of the k100 was too good to pass up (on sale for just under 500).
Keep in mind I am a lefty and the ambi features were a big deal to me.
It has a thumb safety and the slide lock is more forward, similar to a 1911.
Takedown is achieved by pulling the trigger guard down, so no take down button/lever to get in your way.
Gun balances really nicely and locks up very tightly! Accuracy shows because of this.
I've only had 600 down the bore so far but I find it likes heavier loads. (147g)
If you have no issue with polymer frames I say this pistol is top notch for the price.
 
Well some(in the know) have been talking parts for a while now and the word is they(Dlask) are finally expecting parts on the next order....maybe they will have the MK 12's as well on that order?

I've never had problems from takedown buttons getting in my way but I do notice that the hole through the dustcover weakens the dustcover and adds flex to the area where the accessory rail is.
 
New Camper said:
Embarassingly I only just realized this manufacturer exists, which could be providential: As the thread title suggests, I am looking at information about a target pistol, having first set my heart on a CZ Shadow 75T but am not willing to make a trip to Brno, Czechoslovakia for a lack of their presence here.

Does anyone have experienced comments regarding this GP model, not necessarily in comparison to the Shadow 75T? Particularly about functions: I like my Beretta 92 but in competitions (which I'd like to partake in), having a DA/SA design with a decocker/safety (that while it is sometimes useful, a controlled competition it'd be nice to always enjoy the single weight of SA) somewhat defeats the purpose when I could instead be a total conformist and use a striker fired model. :stirthepot2: :p So I've endured with usually being efficient in flipping the safety, and DA shooting the first shots of each drill. I've already converted the trigger weights (Newtons) to units that mean something to me - 5.5lbs SA and 8.9lbs DA which is a bit lighter than the 92s respective weights.

The out of the box SA weight on the K100 tends to be under 4#. DA tends to be 9.5# After break in, they tend to run 3.5 /8.5 If you go with the X-Calibur hammer group they are more like 2.5 / 7# In my opinion there has never been a semi-auto pistol as .... umm, "voloptuous" as the Italian dolls with their partial slides and fine lines... so with an eye for speed and consistant feel in trigger pull (and coveted adjustable rear sight) I wish to add another baby to the family.

#1 - Unlikely(considering cost difference), but has GP went about refinements as the CZ custom shop has with the 75T? Yes, tuned trigger and deleted firing pin safety
#2 - Is the GP equiped with the decocker safety? Not on the Target model. A decocking hammer group is available.
#3 - Although from the same part of the world, how does quality compare to the CZ?
#4 - Useful accessories: Although there are easier holsters to draw from, I know that retention holsters like Blackhawk offers are only made for popular models - CZ target, might fit in the standard CZ holster but are similar holsters available for the GP? Or what does everyone else use for their GPs? Extra magazines - available like the pistols are? Bladetech, Ghost, and LHS all make holsters for the Grand Power guns. Spare mags are not a problem and are actually affordable.
#5 - Why is there such a large price difference between this and "similar" CZs?There are no castings used in a Grand Power gun. The steel chassis is CNC machined as are the slides. Strip a GP and CZ apart and compare the two. The basic K100 compares to the CZ85 for use. The X-Calibur compares to the SP01 Shadow.
#6 - Do they function reliably as other pistols? (My Beretta has set the bar high having fired close to 2500rds with no issue) And are the controls ergonomic and easy to operate with large hands such as I have? There are four different backstraps available to fit almost every hand. I wear and extra large glove and mine fit perfectly. I noticed in a picture the mag release button looks recessed. The mag release is ambidextrous, and there is a larger headed version available. I'd handle one at the dealers but as the CZ T, there are non in stock. Naturally when either becomes available I don't want to faff about over details that could have be reconciled before: As the saying goes, the early bird gets the worm.
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Where in Ontario do you live?

If Newmarket is close, PM me.
 
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Can-down said:
Well some(in the know) have been talking parts for a while now and the word is they(Dlask) are finally expecting parts on the next order....maybe they will have the MK 12's as well on that order?

I've never had problems from takedown buttons getting in my way but I do notice that the hole through the dustcover weakens the dustcover and adds flex to the area where the accessory rail is.
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Unless a distributor asks for MK7 frames, all the current shipments will be MK12.
 
Djb1 said:
I was looking at either a shadow or a sig for the same purposes more or less. Since I couldn't make my mind up the price of the k100 was too good to pass up (on sale for just under 500).
Keep in mind I am a lefty and the ambi features were a big deal to me.
It has a thumb safety and the slide lock is more forward, similar to a 1911.
Takedown is achieved by pulling the trigger guard down, so no take down button/lever to get in your way.
Gun balances really nicely and locks up very tightly! Accuracy shows because of this.
I've only had 600 down the bore so far but I find it likes heavier loads. (147g)
If you have no issue with polymer frames I say this pistol is top notch for the price.
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Once more for clarity.

The Grand Power guns are built on a CNC machined steel chassis. The slide and barrel as well as the hammer group are supported by a precision machined piece of billet.
The polymer is simply the grip.
 
I sold my 75b after I got a gp100. Now I always tell people interested in a CZ to try a GP first. I think highly of CZ, but GP is not as well known and imo comes out on top preformance wise. They are similar ergonomically in many ways so the change is easy, except for takedown. Reassembly annoys me but its not a dealbreaker on a mk7.
 
Thank you everyone for the prompt replies, especially Canuck223: I had searched this sub-forum before posting this thread and found you are experienced with this product. I was probably ambiguous on the decocker feature: It is something for target uses and I'd prefer not having it. I'm glad the only polymer part is the grip.
 
this pistol has been sitting on my backburner wishlist for well over a year now. I like how they looked under STI brand tho slide profile/tapering and hammer looked much nicer IMO.
 
IM_Lugger said:
this pistol has been sitting on my backburner wishlist for well over a year now. I like how they looked under STI brand tho slide profile/tapering and hammer looked much nicer IMO.
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LOL, If I didn't love it as my test bed gun, I'd sell you my original GP6. MK6.
 
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Here is a picture of the in the white chassis. (In this case, it's the one used for the rimfire guns.)

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(David Skinner - former owner of STI, Jaroslav Kuracina - owner/CEO Grand Power, Boris D - V-P of Grand Power)
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(The smiling schmuck on the right is me. SHOT 2014)
 
Chuck3436 said:
I sold my 75b after I got a gp100. Now I always tell people interested in a CZ to try a GP first. I think highly of CZ, but GP is not as well known and imo comes out on top preformance wise. They are similar ergonomically in many ways so the change is easy, except for takedown. Reassembly annoys me but its not a dealbreaker on a mk7.
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To be fair the reassembly technique will still be different on the MK 12 because of the way the gun works. The only real difference is the plastic frame will be stiffer and you won't have to flex the trigger guard repeatedly.
 
Canuck223 said:
Unless a distributor asks for MK7 frames, all the current shipments will be MK12.
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That's what I figured would happen this year.
Why would there still be MK7's at the factory though? Regardless the Mk 7's are awesome and at current prices or better they are a steal of a deal!
 
Can-down said:
That's what I figured would happen this year.
Why would there still be MK7's at the factory though? Regardless the Mk 7's are awesome and at current prices or better they are a steal of a deal!
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Because frankly we still have folks asking for them. We still will keep the trigger guards in the inventory as they are a periodic replacement item. Sort of like Dillon with the original 1050, we may have a dwindling demand for those parts over time, but we will still look after the customers. The rest of the parts are generally made on a just in time system. If we need 100 chassis for the older grips, it's just a matter of loading the older CNC program and making sure the gauges for QC are on the foremans desk.
 
Canuck223 said:
Because frankly we still have folks asking for them. We still will keep the trigger guards in the inventory as they are a periodic replacement item. Sort of like Dillon with the original 1050, we may have a dwindling demand for those parts over time, but we will still look after the customers. The rest of the parts are generally made on a just in time system. If we need 100 chassis for the older grips, it's just a matter of loading the older CNC program and making sure the gauges for QC are on the foremans desk.
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Interesting.
You've got to love modern technology as far as small batch runs.
I'm glad to hear about the parts support for past models but I am surprised that people are still asking for the MK 7's over the newer MK 12's ....... regardless it's impressive that Grand Power is willing to do small custom runs of older designs for particular customers.
 
Can-down said:
Interesting.
You've got to love modern technology as far as small batch runs.
I'm glad to hear about the parts support for past models but I am surprised that people are still asking for the MK 7's over the newer MK 12's ....... regardless it's impressive that Grand Power is willing to do small custom runs of older designs for particular customers.
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You have no idea. We sell to 55 countries. Small market variations are the norm it seems.
 
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