45 ACP vs 9 mm - deciding on a Thureon Defense and next few rifles to get

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Hey all, forgive me if there is already a thread on this, but I haven't found any on here. So I've done a bit of research and it seems to me that the general consensus is that there isn't that much of a difference between 9 mm and 45 ACP in terms of stopping power. But obviously you can carry more 9 mm because they are smaller.

My problem is that there a number of rifles that I am interested in. The calibres I already have are 22LR, 9 mm luger, and .223. One of the rifles that I want to get is the Thureon Defense. However it comes in a bunch of calibres. I already have a lot of glock 17 mags for the 9 mm. And truth to tell, I am mainly interested in the TD in 45 ACP, because another rifle I would like to get is the Kriss Vector which only comes in 45 ACP now.

If I were to get the TD in 9 mm, I could use the glock 17 mags I already have, but then the Kriss Vector which I am planning on getting wouldn't be sharing ammo and mags with my other rifles.

The other thing is that I see 45 ACP seems pretty expensive, even moreso than 223. I see that Wolf 45 ACP is much cheaper, but they are factory reloads, and I don't know anything about that.


My first instinct would be to keep all the mags and ammo the same and just get yet another 9 mm PCC. However, although I really like the idea of the Kriss Vector, I really don't know if I will get one for sure since they are pretty pricey.

I remember though that the last time I sat on a decision whether to get the TD or not, they all sold out and they are just now back after 2 yrs, so that is a big consideration for me. I don't mail order rifles since I like to handle them and purchase them in person.

Anyways, let me know what y'all think. Thanks.
 
The best thing about the Vector is the snazy reciprocating action that doesnt travel horizontally but on a more vertical path which greatly helps with accuracy during FA operation. Since you cant have it in FA, the number one cool thing about that Carbine is null and void.

Do the Thureon Defense and Kriss Vector use the same 45ACP mags? If not, you will have to purchase mags again. With the 9mm TD, mags are already available, and at 40 to 50 bucks a pop, once multiplied a few times, it becomes a big expense.

If you just want to punch paper or ring the gong, 9mm is much cheaper.
 
Hmm... you have a good point there about the FA thing, thanks, I hadn't thought about that. Ranges here don't even allow rapid fire either. The TD and Kriss Vector do both take Glock 21 mags from what I understand. I want to be able to take my rifles into the bush though, not just for the range. Both the TD and Kriss Vector break down very easily for cleaning and maintenance which I really like. My JR Carbine however, doesn't... but I have lot of mags for it.
 
If you go 45 APC, then to keep the expense down you can reload the brass, if you are not already doing so. The pay back is quick depending on how much you shoot.
 
What do yo plan to shoot with the TD? If just paper and targets get the 9mm as it is cheaper than 45, if you plan to hunt with it get it in 10mm so you can at least use it for deer.
 
Depending on what you want to do with it or thoughts on what if the SHTF...... But I posted a thread in the ammo area inquiring about bullet performance and comparison. A the end of the day speed means #### and it's all about bullet diameter.

I was asking if "38super was as bad ass as the numbers say it is". A lot of links came about that explained ballistic performance.

If that isn't something you are considering, then I'll say 9mm all the way for simplicity and the fact you have the mags. But if you wanna F #### up when the world collapses I'd start looking at 45acp and the reloading aspect of things.

This is coming form someone who has an addiction to guns and is buying reloading equipment when I hit Calgary next week. Shooting factory costs too much as is..... If I keep expanding my options of calibers I'll need a second basement for the in laws to sleep.
 
9mm is cheaper to shoot you get more bang for your buck. 45 is more fun to shoot and you can see the holes in paper it knocks things over since it's a slow heavy slug being sent downrange. It's like shooting a 45-70 with less power. Now if you want something big chugs rounds down range 45 acp if you want something snappy cheaper to shoot 9mm now with 10 round magazines for 9mm and 45acp can you really carry more anyways... I like shooting 45 acp way more it's more of a push then a snapy feel like 9mm now you might as well just go 7.62x39 for cheap ammo plus power but it all depends on what you want. 9mm vs 45 acp it depends on how much you shoot 1 or 2 boxes no big deal a crate of ammo and it starts to show 9mm 14 a box 45 acp 29 a box it adds up. It's around 10 per box more at 50 rounds per box that's 20 every 100 rounds unless you reload.
 
The TD in a 10mm would be something to consider for hunting and I am sure it has a wicked amount of power out to 50 yards or so. But the BC of pistol bullets just don't seem to reach out very far past 50 yards. Not much use for hunting in Canada but would be a nice hog gun in the states.
 
windage said:
The TD in a 10mm would be something to consider for hunting and I am sure it has a wicked amount of power out to 50 yards or so. But the BC of pistol bullets just don't seem to reach out very far past 50 yards. Not much use for hunting in Canada but would be a nice hog gun in the states.
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you need full power loads like buffalo bore if you want to hunt large game with the 10mm, I wouldn't have an issue using it up to 100yds and maybe a bit further on deer. Many a deer have been taken with a 357mag in a carbine and the 10mm is not far off in power with the right ammo.
 
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