Webley or Enfield .38 revolvers coming soon.

The 38/200's make great anchors. A nice supply of factory 38S&W would be the best route if cheap enough, but….
I had pretty good success with my pre-WW1 .455 Webly. Has a Parker-Hale conversion kit to .22 long rifle. Barrel insert and extra cylinder and works good, only the whole kit and caboodle is 12[6] because it has the unusual 4 inch factory barrel…
The big .455's are the best toys, the 38/200's not so much…
 
Only difference between the two rounds is the weight of the bullet. Remember that the front sight is made for either bullet. Try both rounds and find which one works best with your gun.
 
Meh...too many good revolvers to shoot to waste time on antiquated war measure stuff, with antiquated ammo would be my opinion. I understand the milsurp collecting bug (been infected myself to some degree) but these revolvers offer nothing in the way of a unique action/operation to attract my $'s (regardless of the price).
 
Actually they weren't very practical. There were a couple of versions that were specifically made as 22 rimfire with proprietary cylinders and barrels. Webley seemed to have made them up on MkIV frames.

If I remember correctly, only 25 of the military versions came into Canada, around 1940. If any of them survived, they are few and far between. Likely all sold as surplus into the US.

Right up into the mid sixties, the odd store still carried a few of the civilian versions and those either came in a blue cardboard box, with a cleaning rod/extractor, or in a velvet lined wooden box, with cleaning tools and rod. They were notorious for good accuracy but the extractors always missed a few, which was a pain in the butt. They were also expensive in comparison to the much more reliable and every bit as accurate US made commercial revolvers available in quantity at the time.

By the end of the sixties, I don't remember seeing one, other than the commercial specimen I had been given as a Christmas present. I think, my father, a die hard anti firearms fanatic, got it very cheap, because it sat in Viel and Fields' in Vernon for at least a decade.

Wbaad, you are a dreamer. The rimfire versions were put together as an afterthought IMHO and didn't do the intended job all that well.

There were also conversion kits available. Once in a blue moon they show up as well. Usually on the .455 MkVI. They were horrid things to shoot. The cylinders were drilled at an angle to align with the bore, which contained a sleeve that was installed before the special cylinder and held in place at the muzzle with a leather washer and a brass finger nut.

They weren't accurate and they spit bits of lead out between the insert and the cylinder that were shaved off as the bullets went around the corner to enter the cone. One thing though, the one I had, did eject the empties well. You also had to be careful to make sure the shims used between the cone section of the insert and the barrel were correct. If you used to many, you couldn't close the pistol easily and if you didn't use any, there was a good chance the bullet would get stuck in the gap.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

I don't remember whether there were conversion kits available for the martial MkIV pistols or not. I don't remember seeing any but it would make sense that there would be, especially if they were using the same frame to make up their target pistols.

I am under the impression that the rimfire target rifles were quite popular in the UK and Australia. I can't confirm that and it was over 40 years ago that I had anything to do with those pistols.

For a Webley collector, one of those would be a real score, especially one of the martially marked Canadian pistols.

If by some remote chance there did happen to be one or even a few of those pistols in the incoming batch, you can bet your gonads the importer will snap them up in a heartbeat.

I have a MKIV that was converted to a "snake" killer. The bore has been reamed out to a smooth bore. The cylinder of this pistol, will accept 38 special wad cutter cartridges. I have a replacement barrel/cylinder for it but have been contemplating converting the smooth bore barrel by adding a 22 cal sleeve and making up some inserts for the cylinder. I have a spare back plate and hammer so setting it up to shoot rimfire wouldn't be much of an issue.

Sorry, I'm off topic here. If those pistols are at a reasonable price and in VG+ condition, I would certainly be interested in acquiring one myself. It would be nice if they were not martially marked. The Webleys released by the Calgary Police to surplus were all pretty decent. Maybe these are ex police revolvers. If so, likely in much better condition than their martial counterparts.

Trigger Wholesale brought in some .22lr's last summer. I guess if SJHardware is advertising them then Trigger Wholesale must have some more on the way.
http://www.triggerwholesale.com/surplusused-firearms.html

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The Lyman 45 manual lists close to 900 fps with 4.0 grains of Unique under a 158 grain lead bullet. Not to shabby

The 38/200 military round is close to 700 fps with a 200 grain lead bullet.

And Buffalo Bore manage to load a 125 gr. @ 1,000 fps. (www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=143), so the "mouse" can roar a little louder than expected... if you have access to the right ju-ju.

Considering the sectional density of such a long for caliber bullet, in a small pistol, this would be a very effective load on a any human target at combat pistol ranges.
As the brits discovered with the .455 Webley before downsizing to the 38/200.

Of course, we in civilized Canada have no need of firearms for protection, so it's all academic anyway (!)

:) Stuart
 
300.00!! Holy Christ. I bought one of the Enfield Tanker models years ago for about 40.00, and that was to much for the POS. Hope the ones available now are in better shape than the ones that were around 20 years ago. I was at a Bud Haynes Auction years ago, they sold several for around 35.00-45.00. A box of .38 S&W, if you could find it was 1/2 the cost of the gun.
 
300.00!! Holy Christ. I bought one of the Enfield Tanker models years ago for about 40.00, and that was to much for the POS. Hope the ones available now are in better shape than the ones that were around 20 years ago. I was at a Bud Haynes Auction years ago, they sold several for around 35.00-45.00. A box of .38 S&W, if you could find it was 1/2 the cost of the gun.

Yeah that is incredible, why I remember paying $50 for a full wood NOS Lee Enfield No.1 SMLE with bayonet, I wonder how much they are now?
 
I've owned a few of these over the years , they're a decent pistol . I bought two off of Bob Prestash at Trail Firearms years ago for $ 100 . I also bought a house back then for $ 95,000 , times change . The spurred hammer models were a lot harder to find than the bobbed ones, $ 289 doesn't seem excessive to me . If there's any left I'm going to buy one , they're not making anymore and they aren't going to get easier to find . Just one mans opinion.
 
For those of us getting along a bit in age, we can all remember the days of old when milsurp firearms were plentyfull and relatively inexpensive compared to today. Mind you if I figure what I was earning in relation to the cost I think its comparable to today. I personally think they are a decent little revolver for the money and they do have some historical appeal.
 
I really don't understand those that turn up their noses at break action revolvers. IMHO, they are a big step up from swing out side cranes and single action loading gates.

This was figured out a long time ago. Even S&W along with others used this system. For the average layman, this is one of the most effective systems made. Unload by simply opening the action, do it with one hand and press the barrel against your leg or anything convenient and push. Everything is right out in front of you and you can either use a speed loader, strip or single load without it becoming a juggling act.

These revolvers were state of the art for combat revolvers. I've talked to several now departed vets that had the choice of carrying a Colt, S&W, Webley or Enfield. Most preferred the Enfield revolvers. These fellows all saw plenty of action and knew their stuff. The break action revolvers were well made and accurate. One really big thing, is they were lighter and all milspec versions had matte finishes.

The sights on the Enfields and Webleys were much easier to acquire than their counterparts as well.

Nope, I wouldn't feel the least bit undergunned with one of the break action revolvers.

For those that prefer semi autos or like their flossy polished jewels, I can fully understand your disdain for the appearance of these revolvers. They are totally utilitarian tools. The thing is, they are smothered in history and the darn things fit average sized hands and point well. They are very ergonomically correct for most people as well and the balance is almost perfect. They do the job though, first time, every time.
 
I chrony'd some factory .38 S&W out of a colt police positive 5" and got speeds in the range of 625 to 850 fps. No recoil at all, it is an underpowered caliber.

I would have serious problems to be standing in front of someone shooting one of these underpowered calibre revolvers in my direction at even 50 yards. A 200gr .38 FMJ or even lead projectile leaving the muzzle at 650 fps at up to 50 yards are still going to seriously ruin your day if you got hit by one. And not having much recoil is a plus, it helps keep the sights and muzzle pointing at the target when a follow up shot is needed.

The Commandos keep these revolvers in service long after they where declared obsolete by the general military after the adoption of the 9mm Browning High Power (GP-35), as they found them to be far more reliable and trustworthy for missions that required utmost combat effectiveness, I know because I saw and handled them while still on the racks in their armoury in the early 90's and they didn't hang on to kit that was not used or had a purpose.

They remained in UK production until 1957 and in regular British military service up till 1969, and copies of them are still in production and use in India and Pakistan, they can't be too bad a military handgun that the 4th biggest army in the world would still make and use them.

These handguns have heaps of history and saw and are still in use in wars and armies all over the globe.
 
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