Battledyne 10/22 Mag Issue

hey sorry again for taking so long, I do not have the specs never wrote them down but calipers and an original mag are all you need for those, I do not have a pic of my filed down ones but have made a pic of where and what to do, not sure how to put up a pic, if someone could help me out there that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Strungout said:
hey sorry again for taking so long, I do not have the specs never wrote them down but calipers and an original mag are all you need for those, I do not have a pic of my filed down ones but have made a pic of where and what to do, not sure how to put up a pic, if someone could help me out there that would be greatly appreciated.
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it is hard to really show what I had to do here, but if you have a ruger mag handy, even just eyeballing the two mags you can see definite differences on the insides of the feed lips themselves. The angled edge inside the lips, that control the rim of the cartridge is where I had the most issues, once they are filed down the rounds feed much better, as for my bolt slamming the back of the mag, that may not be the case for everyone could be a case of gun to gun differences.
The circled area on the uppermost part of the pic "the stepped area" as I called it, once I had it filed down the rounds quit feeding to the right.
On the lower lip if you look inside where the rim is fed up as well it was too pronounced and rough, "filed" it down with edge of triangle file slowly to make all edges have a rounded profile
And the back where the bolt picks up the next round was my big issue, that not all may have, but I filed it with a stihl round file to round out the bottom and widened it slightly past rugers mag specs, mainly because of the side to side wobble these mags have I didn't want it to hit if there was any pressure on the mag.

I don't know if this was helpful at all it is much easier to do it then explain it.
I have recently put about 250rnds through each mag, the springs have broken in and I can fit my 25rnds in without an issue, however, it seems as though they work best with no problems at all if I put a bit of rearward pressure on the mag when shooting. The old (14yr old federal from father in law that was in his barns heated room) ammo I was using is what caused this, when using mini mags or even federal bulk walmart special I did not have to do this.
 
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Mainly I believe most issues would eventually wear themselves down with use, all the rough edges etc. but when stovepipes and FTF's are one of the most frustrating things a man can experience, letting them "wear in" was not an option for me. All of my mags were casted the exact same way with the rough internal edges and angles, so heres hoping others can get these nice lookin mags working as well.
 
Took mine out today and couldn't get more than one round off. FTE all over. They won't seat right and it's like they're too tall, but nothing wanted to work. Dunno if I can return them or what I should do.
 
Well I took one of my new Battledynes to the range today with the SR22. I was expecting it to fail miserably (that's why I only took one out of the packaging - I was prepared to return them both to HiCal). To my pleasant surprise, I ran 50 rounds through it without a single problem. Flawless. Shocking really, especially given this was about -15 degrees and using cheap ammo (Remington Golden Bullets). Can't say the same for the 110-round drum mag. Couldn't get that to work at all.

I'll unwrap the second one and try it out on Monday.
 
Mossman said:
Well I took one of my new Battledynes to the range today with the SR22. I was expecting it to fail miserably (that's why I only took one out of the packaging - I was prepared to return them both to HiCal). To my pleasant surprise, I ran 50 rounds through it without a single problem. Flawless. Shocking really, especially given this was about -15 degrees and using cheap ammo (Remington Golden Bullets). Can't say the same for the 110-round drum mag. Couldn't get that to work at all.

I'll unwrap the second one and try it out on Monday.
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I think we're all having a real hard time understanding and believing your experience. These mags have been reported an absolute nightmare over and over again with all the same issues.

Please share what type of ammo your success was with, the rifle type/age, and any other factors.

Could you please post a detailed photo of the mag lips and also a front/back close up photo of the packaging you received?

Is it possible the latest HiCal '2nd gen' pre-order distribution in December 2013 was a farce with Battledyne flooding the Canadian market with stockpiles of their worthless Gen 1 mags all over AGAIN?

I see no other logical explanation.
 
I took my sr22 out today to try out some Federal ammo that I found to buy, (22lr is very scarce around here) I wanted to try some out before I bought a bunch of it. I bought four AR10/22 Battledyne mags, and the last time I had the sr out it worked hellish with the BD mags using Remington golden bullets, so I thought maybe it was the ammo. This time I loaded twenty rounds in the BD (hard to squeeze that many in), and ten in the factory mag. I tried to use the Battledyne and it was the same result as the Rem. ammo, failure to fire, failure to feed and failure to eject on every round. I put the Ruger ten shot in it and it worked like a dream. I love this gun, it's accurate and fun to shoot. To bad they can put this junk on the market when it don't work worth a damn. When you pay good money for a product and it works like this it makes you wonder, don't they try this crap out before they sell it? And why should I have to take a file to it to make it work?
 
LeadMonkey said:
I think we're all having a real hard time understanding and believing your experience. These mags have been reported an absolute nightmare over and over again with all the same issues.

Please share what type of ammo your success was with, the rifle type/age, and any other factors.
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As I said, I was using an SR22 with Remington Golden Bullets. I don't know of any other relevant factors - the rifle is brand new.

I can't account for the success - as I've said, I was expecting it to be a miserable failure based on what I'd read on this thread. I've now taken the second mag out of the package and will try it out Monday with some different kinds of ammo.
 
I've got mine filed out as per the guidance of the pic supplied, as well as a bit of the front of the lips to avoid feeding to the right as I've read. Just wish the weather would smarten up so I can go test them
 
lodder said:
Just wish the weather would smarten up so I can go test them
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Mail it to me and I'll run it for ya! (don't forget to send ammo) ;)

Seriously let us know how it works out...
 
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Absolute Nightmare Mags

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Well... I give up...

After several hours matching the Battledyne mag feed lips meticulously to the Ruger factory ten round mag as well as cleaning up the highlighted areas pointed out by the photo posted earlier (very helpful btw as the feed lip casts are super rough!), another several hours at the range, and a brick of ammo later...

It's hopeless. They will NEVER be able to feed reliably.

The reason... poor design of the feed lips and especially the rear indexing pin (which is far smaller than any other mag out there and does NOT fit the mag release plunger of the Ruger 10/22 at all) and allows the mag to ride too high on the back end, resulting in the bolt contacting the rear part of the feed lips (which I shaved down significantly to compensate and somewhat got functioning) but also inherently angles the front nose of the bullet slightly downward resulting in the aforementioned lead skimming the crown of the chamber and smashing the bullet nose edge into the bottom side of the crown. You can somewhat improve the feeding if you apply a forward pressure to the bottom of the mag, forcing the rear feed lip downward and the front feed lip upwards, but this is still nowhere near reliable.

I'll keep the one I modified for asthetic (show and tell) purposes, but the 4 others are going back to HiCal first thing tomorrow.

Buyer BEWARE!
 
LOL - show and tell purposes! I get that. I think I'm going to get a couple airsoft mags and JB the BX1 to them for that.

PS - I also worship at the temple of Princess Auto :)
 
gcdavidson said:
LOL - show and tell purposes! I get that. I think I'm going to get a couple airsoft mags and JB the BX1 to them for that.
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Could you explain? Sorry what does 'JB' mean? Could you please start a new thread for the process and send me the link?

However, using the Ruger BX1 factory 10rd rotary mag would only give you 10 rounds.

I was also thinking of trying this using airsoft or other AR mags for a sleeve to look the part. There are (allegedly) more reliable aftermarket mags out there like the Buttler Creek steel lip smoke (BCEXPSS25SM) which I hear are superior for reliability (never tested them personally), but is there an AR style airsoft mag wide enough to fit them as a sleeve with some tinkering?

I am aware of the Gen 3 Promag 9-22 mag with Sleeve but mixed reviews for those are just as bad as the Battledynes.
 
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