Hunter training shooting Exam

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Having spend a lot of time in Canada on various shooting ranges, I am rather appaled at the overall poor marksmanship of people going out in the hunting fields.
It is one thing to sight your rifle in on a sturdy bench, it is a different cup of tea out in the cold weather with sometimes little support around to rest your rifle. The result is most people do not know their limitations since it is rare that I see people on the range training in sitting, kneeling or standing positions.
Result an uncalled for crippling rate in our wildlife. F&W can give you the exact figures, I do not recall precisely, but they were very high in the ratio for every big game animal harvested versus hit but lost.
In Europe a mandatory shooting test with your own rifle and shotgun, with a very high benchmark, before you get that year your hunting license. You get 3 tries that day to get the required score, if you fail you are welcome to try next year, but no hunting this year.
It will weed out most of the slobs and incompetent ones when it comes to the shooting.
Besides the shooting exam you need to pass a general knowledge test.
This includes a detailed knowledge, besides what we learn in Canada, of forest plants wildlife depends on, as well as composition of habitats for different species. It takes a lot of studying. Only those with a true interest in the outdoors and wildlife complete this test. You land up with a core of knowledgeable skilled hunters.
Those that just want to go and kill something as well as the indifferent and disinterested ones are weeded out and can stick to target shooting.
In North America we oppose such strict training for political reasons, since it would probably drastically cut down numbers of hunters, with the fear of having less political clout. Of course manufacturers of firearms and hunting accessories oppose it since it would cut down on their sales.
However in Europe hunters do have influence and are listened to, since their credibility is much higher.
Would we not be better of in the long run weeding out the slobs, indifferent and incompetent ones.
This is may be a good subject for the long cold winter evenings!
What do you think?
 
I agree that there are some measure of slob hunters out there. But this kind of time consuming mandatory (Cash)training and marksmanship most likely would lead to increased cost of our recreational shooting sports. Also, in some purely selfish words, myself I partake in bullseye pistol shooting, long range target rifle shooting in the summer months. Shotgun skeet/trap in late August to prepare for the fall season. In my past I've enjoyed almost 11 years of varmint/deer hunting with modern rifles in Southern Saskatchewan. During my army career I was the second best rifle shot with the C7 in my platoon. Success in taking WT deer with archery equipment & a new found interest in muzzleloading rifles. And more than just a passing interest in removing the environmentally destructive wild boar from Alberta/Saskatchewan. Do you really think I would need to take a marksmanship test??
No, but I joined a shooting club which I promote and work as one of many volunteer directors(Free) so that local hunters have a place to sight in thier rifles & generally, just become better in many shooting disciplines.
And yes I do take more than a passing interest in wildlife & habitat. Do I need a mini-degree of your calibre to be a better hunter? I think not.
The Europeans can keep thier expensive fees aimed at lining the pockets of a few businessmen, the upper middle class and the wealthy landowners.
These are some of the reasons North America was successfully settled by very hard working, impoverished/unfairly marginalized & unwanted Europeans.
The Irish Famine ring a bell or two? The religiously persecuted Quakers/Menonittes??

Take your Pierce Morgan ideas elsewhere please.
 
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Don't want to start a p@#$%ing match, but I hunted all over the UK and I hate to break the news to you but in many ways it's better than here. Yes, it's more available and cheaper here, but a lot of the slob behaviour that we have here would never happen there.
I love how much more freedom we have here, and I'm not for legislating that away. I also know that legislation does'nt change people's behaviour, it just takes their freedom, but I hate going to the rifle range in the last week of October to watch people rest their barrel on a block of wood and blaze through a box of ammo. And that's the ones who practice at all.
There would be no support for mandatory testing and a section of the community will always be idiots.
 
I totally agree, I have DSC level 2 in the UK. The problem here is you'll get lynched for suggesting it in Canada.
I'm from the UK and agree that the DSC is a good thing but I was mentored for a year instead, my now good friend and mentor not only taught me about hunting but gun maintenance, reloading and all things in between, things that the DSC program wouldn't be able to teach in 3-5 days. I did a health hygene butchering course for my own interest.
The whole training thing is a great idea as long as it does not rip off the person doing it and is done thoroughly.
I loved the hunter safty course I did here and the fireams saftey, but there should be a practical shooting test too!!!
 
Don't want to start a p@#$%ing match, but I hunted all over the UK and I hate to break the news to you but in many ways it's better than here. Yes, it's more available and cheaper here, but a lot of the slob behaviour that we have here would never happen there.
I love how much more freedom we have here, and I'm not for legislating that away. I also know that legislation does'nt change people's behaviour, it just takes their freedom, but I hate going to the rifle range in the last week of October to watch people rest their barrel on a block of wood and blaze through a box of ammo. And that's the ones who practice at all.
There would be no support for mandatory testing and a section of the community will always be idiots.

And you have as much control with that as other bad drivers texting while on the motorway in Kent to.

Get over it.
 
Yes this is Canada, and you have the right to shoot as many shots as it takes to fill your tags, even if you end up wounding more animals than you kill.:p
 
Maybe a private nose in the air country club is in order for some.

What says that the qualified hunter doesn't get buck fever when the real thing happens and he shoots them in both asses? ;)
 
Some people don't have grocery stores...Hunt or starve, you might miss some, im sure everybody has or eventually will. A lot of different communities to think about in Canada. Write a letter to the Gov,t do something productive to try and better the situation its your right! Maybe talk to the people that are giving the courses and start to rally them to make the changes? Good Luck! B2
 
Don't want to start a p@#$%ing match, but I hunted all over the UK and I hate to break the news to you but in many ways it's better than here. Yes, it's more available and cheaper here, but a lot of the slob behaviour that we have here would never happen there.
I love how much more freedom we have here, and I'm not for legislating that away. I also know that legislation does'nt change people's behaviour, it just takes their freedom, but I hate going to the rifle range in the last week of October to watch people rest their barrel on a block of wood and blaze through a box of ammo. And that's the ones who practice at all.
There would be no support for mandatory testing and a section of the community will always be idiots.

So don't go to the rifle range in October. Get your rifle sighted in by August and be out hunting in October. Perhaps somewhere in Europe.
 
thank god i'm comfortable with my rifle and confident enough to say that i will hit my target in nearly any weather condition, and any shooting position, and when i say any weather condition read that as " smart enough to know that the weather is to unforgiving to make an ethical shot"
 
I have not hunted in Bew Brunswick for awhile, but I do recall that moose hunters had to pass a 3 shot shooting test to get their tag.

Hell I'd like to see it as a prerequisite for applying for the moose draw. Eliminate a lot of the guys applying for everyone in their family so they can go second gun and all the bunnyhuggers who try to save a moose by applying since all you currently need is a valid medicare number. Get a moose tag in New Brunswick is practically a once in a lifetime experience, and we have individuals trying to manipulate it by keeping actual hunters from getting drawn. There is no system in place either to see that tags awarded and unclaimed are issued to hunters that actually would choose them. That is my real issue.

Having given it a second thought I don't really want it mandatory.
Should there be an incentive in place to encourage us to hone our skills? I really don't know and wrestle with this idea myself all the time.
 
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Our current system does breed many slobs; however, the system you propose makes hunting inaccessible to many hunters who enjoy the sport and are ethical but are just not die hards. In several years your system would turn hunting into an expensive pass time for the well off instead of a family sport that even those with modest means can enjoy. Perhaps better enforcement of a hunting course as a requirment to get a licence is the answer.
 
You should see the range I go to. Due to the baffles and the bench I quite literally cannot shoot offhand unless I turn it into some sort of kung fu horse stance exercise in order to get the rifle down a good six inches or more so I can see what I'm shooting at. Otherwise the baffle completely blocks my view of the target. Plus the bench is too high for me to kneel or go prone and still be able to shoot overtop of it, even if someone didn't freak out over it. Well, I could shoot offhand if I went back behind the magical firing line, but of course that's against range rules.

I have tried shooting there offhand a bit, but it's so awkward that I'm lucky if I can hit within 6" at 40 meters.
 
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