Savage Model 10TR: Things You Maybe Didn't Know- NOW WITH PICS!

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Hey guys;

So I've received my Model 10TR, unboxed it, and it looks great, feels better than my older Savage 111 in .30-06. I've spent the last couple weeks hunting the 'net, searching out a muzzle brake (thanks ATRS!), bipod, scope and rings (and 20 MOA replacement rail- thanks to Jerry at Mystic Precision!), and I decide on the weekend to strip it down, degrease it, clean the barrel, etc. in preparation for setting up the scope, etc.

First things first, clean the barrel. Yep, brand new, for those that don't know it, the manufacturer fires a few to ensure function, and then loads up the bore with a combination of baboon sperm, whale spit and donkey snot and ships it to you. I was appalled at the amount of crud I took out of it, and I used everything- Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner first, then lighter fluid, then J-B Compound, then alternating between Kleen-Bore Oil/Conditioner, Hoppe's Benchrest, another dose of J-B, and went at it again this morning, finishing off with some Froglube CLP.

Now it was during one of these soak-times that I decided to pull the factory rail since I've got the 20 MOA one on the way. I now have a problem. One screw let go, the other three, not so much. I thought I was being careful, I did. I even used heat. I now have to find a way to get three base screws with stripped heads out, hopefully without wrecking the factory rail. Fun.

So after that fiasco and the cleaning, I take the action out of the base to clean it out. More lighter fluid into the trigger assembly and chamber area. Again, the same mixture that came out of the barrel seems to have been applied here. Not as much, but more than you think. It's amazing the places you can see factory oil dribbling out of long after you think things are clean, and the amount of crud that comes with it.

We now turn our attention to the stock and bedding. While speaking with Jerry at Mystic last week, he told me to look out for something- and he was right. The 'Accustock' is a joke. It's plain to see that on my unfired rifle, there is a pair of clear wear lines where the action makes contact with the aluminum bedding block. There's also a mark on the recoil lug showing the same. This would indicate some movement and rubbing, without having shot the thing! So I am now on the hunt for some Acra-Glas so I can fully bed the action properly. While I'm at it, I'll reinforce the forestock which is stiff, but could be stiffer as the 'bedding block' here is only an aluminum rib running up the center of the stock and holding the sling swivels. This would also explain Savage's instructions in the manual to pull back on the action while torquing the action screws when putting it back together. Where's the '3-D' bedding system now, guys?

I have no doubts that the gun would be accurate without me knowing these things, but I also have no doubt that to get the utmost potential out of it, that receiver needs to be bedded better- the two thin lines of contact plus the recoil lug alone (and the pillar bedding, I didn't forget) just aren't enough to fully control all the vibration from recoil and handling. And since most of us have ordered this as our entry into precision shooting, it only makes sense to know and share this info before someone gets frustrated with their rifle.

One other note: the other main benefit to stripping down a new rifle like this is to identify these shortcomings, do something about it, and know your rifle intimately at the same time. I know this isn't news for the old hands around here, but not everyone here has that same knowledge. Hope this helps someone. Cheers!
 
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Hey guys;

So I've received my Model 10TR, unboxed it, and it looks great, feels better than my older Savage 111 in .30-06. I've spent the last couple weeks hunting the 'net, searching out a muzzle brake (thanks ATRS!), bipod, scope and rings (and 20 MOA replacement rail- thanks to Jerry at Mystic Precision!), and I decide on the weekend to strip it down, degrease it, clean the barrel, etc. in preparation for setting up the scope, etc.

First things first, clean the barrel. Yep, brand new, for those that don't know it, the manufacturer fires a few to ensure function, and then loads up the bore with a combination of baboon sperm, whale spit and donkey snot and ships it to you. I was appalled at the amount of crud I took out of it, and I used everything- Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner first, then lighter fluid, then J-B Compound, then alternating between Kleen-Bore Oil/Conditioner, Hoppe's Benchrest, another dose of J-B, and went at it again this morning, finishing off with some Froglube CLP.

Now it was during one of these soak-times that I decided to pull the factory rail since I've got the 20 MOA one on the way. I now have a problem. One screw let go, the other three, not so much. I thought I was being careful, I did. I even used heat. I now have to find a way to get three base screws with stripped heads out, hopefully without wrecking the factory rail. Fun.

So after that fiasco and the cleaning, I take the action out of the base to clean it out. More lighter fluid into the trigger assembly and chamber area. Again, the same mixture that came out of the barrel seems to have been applied here. Not as much, but more than you think. It's amazing the places you can see factory oil dribbling out of long after you think things are clean, and the amount of crud that comes with it.

We now turn our attention to the stock and bedding. While speaking with Jerry at Mystic last week, he told me to look out for something- and he was right. The 'Accustock' is a joke. It's plain to see that on my unfired rifle, there is a pair of clear wear lines where the action makes contact with the aluminum bedding block. There's also a mark on the recoil lug showing the same. This would indicate some movement and rubbing, without having shot the thing! So I am now on the hunt for some Acra-Glas so I can fully bed the action properly. While I'm at it, I'll reinforce the forestock which is stiff, but could be stiffer as the 'bedding block' here is only an aluminum rib running up the center of the stock and holding the sling swivels. This would also explain Savage's instructions in the manual to pull back on the action while torquing the action screws when putting it back together. Where's the '3-D' bedding system now, guys?

I have no doubts that the gun would be accurate without me knowing these things, but I also have no doubt that to get the utmost potential out of it, that receiver needs to be bedded better- the two thin lines of contact plus the recoil lug alone (and the pillar bedding, I didn't forget) just aren't enough to fully control all the vibration from recoil and handling. And since most of us have ordered this as our entry into precision shooting, it only makes sense to know and share this info before someone gets frustrated with their rifle.

One other note: the other main benefit to stripping down a new rifle like this is to identify these shortcomings, do something about it, and know your rifle intimately at the same time. I know this isn't news for the old hands around here, but not everyone here has that same knowledge. Hope this helps someone. Cheers!

Wow, I just cleaned the pipe threw on a scope and shot it virtually straight out of the box. I posted my results in another thread and ended up with about ¾ MOA on average with factory ammo at 200m.

I guess if I’d done all that, I or at least someone with more experience could easily have gotten less than that.

I guess this rifle is great for beginners like me who don’t know any better, and a great platform for the more experienced guys. It was my second time every shooting a bolt gun, and from my perspective, it’s a very forgiving rifle to get such decent groups, not having any skills to speak of, and not having prepped the rifle as I should have.
 
What surprised me about the barrel was every time I thought I had it clean, I'd run a different product just to make sure, and out would come more black crap- it's all good now, but I used the same amount of patches on this one as I normally would in a year's cleaning of my other rifles- largely, I think, because of the break-in process I use- the better bore you start off with, the easier it is to get it clean and keep it clean as time goes by.

And like I said, it probably would have shot fine out of the box if I were ignorant of what I found, but it's easy to see there's room for improvement- might as well start out with a clean slate!
 
Man, just makes my head spin thinking about using all the stuff you used. I know what I did was probably pretty substandard compared to what the more experienced guys do, but all I did was run a patch soaked with G96 (use it because I like the smell, haha!) through the bore, and ran clean patches through it until they came out the same color they went in. I also neglected to clean the barrel every three rounds like I did with my 700p (the barrel break-in thing), just hammered out about 60 rounds or so through it. The groups seemed to get tighter as I went on too, but maybe this was just my imagination.

I’ll be sure to pay better attention to details if I ever get another precision rifle.
 
In addition to the original poster, when you get the top rail off, it's covered in "whale snot" between the rail and tha action. I think Savage just puts the rail on from the company they get it from without cleaning it.... Therefore your rail is technically floating on a grease film. No solid contact. And I've done 3 10TR's now, and all are like that. I was in Frontier Saturday and pointed it out to one of the guys who work there who was mounting a Minox on one. He pulled it off and I think was surprised. So a note to ALL Savage buyers.... You must take EVERYTHING apart and start over. No exceptions. I even take the stock off, clean everything like the OPer and Blue 242 everything. And remember, a proper torque wrench or driver is your best friend! I personally love my FATWrench.... That's just me and I know there's better, but at least drop the coin on something guys.
 
To add to this: The two main action bolts were NOT torqued the same. They came off with a marked difference in force. And, I'm still struggling with 3 scope base screws with stripped out heads... it's starting to look bleak. Gonna soak them with some STP tonight, the issue might not be Loc-Tite but it could be the steel heads galling on the aluminum EGW rail. Since the heads are countersunk, I don't want to drill the heads off, get the rail off, then have to drill and retap...
 
To add to this: The two main action bolts were NOT torqued the same. They came off with a marked difference in force. p...

With some Sav and Rem, bolt action rifles can be tuned to shoot better with more torque on the front then the rear action screw. I doubt if the factory did the different torque thing intentionally, but hey, you could have got lucky with the differential. When you fix your rail, and mount a scope, you can play with the torque on the mounting screws and see if you can tighten up your groups.

NormB
 
To add to this: The two main action bolts were NOT torqued the same. They came off with a marked difference in force. And, I'm still struggling with 3 scope base screws with stripped out heads... it's starting to look bleak. Gonna soak them with some STP tonight, the issue might not be Loc-Tite but it could be the steel heads galling on the aluminum EGW rail. Since the heads are countersunk, I don't want to drill the heads off, get the rail off, then have to drill and retap...

You seem to have plenty of criticism for this rifle
As far as the action screws are concerned they are not to be tightened to the same values.
The front screw should be 60-65 in/lbs and the rear or actually middle screw should be between 30-40 in/lbs.
I hope you are able to remove the screws without further troubles but the question I have is do you have a proper gunsmith screwdriver set?
 
You seem to have plenty of criticism for this rifle

Not at all. Just trying to help others that don't know to look out for certain things. Main lesson is, no matter the manufacturer, any new gun needs to be stripped and checked before it's first use.

As far as the action screws are concerned they are not to be tightened to the same values.
The front screw should be 60-65 in/lbs and the rear or actually middle screw should be between 30-40 in/lbs.

Good to know. I'll double check the manual before reassembly. If the info's not there I'll check Savage's website.

I hope you are able to remove the screws without further troubles but the question I have is do you have a proper gunsmith screwdriver set?

Absolutely I do. And I did get them out- funny thing, though, the bits from the gunsmith set (From Wheeler) didn't fit as well as the CHESSCO set I also have- manufacturers are different, so I have multiples of stuff like that for that very reason.

I've got pics I'll be posting next so folks can see what I've talked about already.
 
Here's a pic of the action after getting the base off. Note the distinct oil pattern, and the light marks left by the aluminum base- some may have come from me in getting it off.


Bottom of the action, showing the lines from the aluminum bedding block on the receiver and recoil lug. Not a lot of contact there, looks like a bedding job.








And finally, a pic of the stock showing the aluminum bedding block. That thin rib up the middle is why owners will notice some flex in the forestock- some bedding material will be added here also to stiffen it.


As I've said, and others have mentioned, it may have been just fine as it was- but when I'm spending twice as much on the scope and mounts as I did on the rifle, I don't want 'good enough'. I want it as close to perfect as I can, and as good as I can make it. It's still a great rifle, I'm sure, and I'm excited to get out with it and shoot it! The only thing that really annoys me is Savage claiming the 'Accustock'- it's a step above pillar bedding, but NOT the Accustock they originally had in mind- there's no 'pinch bolt' that was on the first ones, and this seems as though they've cheaped out.
 
Ha! Betcha you feel like a weight is off your shoulders now that you got those screws out.

I'm sure that stock will work out fine once it's bedded and the barrel given some adequate free-float space. :)
 
I had as much problem with the screws. After stripping the first screw, I quit farcing about and took it into ATR. Dustin said he stripped two driver heads and they wouldn't budge for him either. I remorsefully agreed to have the four screws machined out at the cost of $25/hole. I had already bought my Farrell rail so I was going to be out $100 either way... I will be sure to clean the bore THOUROUGHLY on mine, I had no idea they were full of gunk, as the bore didn't look very dirty. I'm still waiting for my chassis to arrive before I mount the scope so I'm glad I waited and soaked up as much info as I could on this rifle. I was not impressed by the accustock either. Too much flex in the fore end!

Thanks for the info, very much appreciated:)
 
Guess a guy should take a cheap Cdn Tire heat gun to the receiver where the screws are. Heat is a good thing if used in moderation. No glowing red receiver/screws or rail eh
 
As an owner of several Savage rifles that shoot extremely well I would start by putting everything back together and shooting the rifle to establish a baseline.
This way you will know for yourself how much of a difference if any it made.
If there is something wrong with the rifle then it can be sent in for warranty work before you try bedding it.
 
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