Barnes Tripple Shock in .270

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I'm researching Barnes Tripple Shock. I'm looking to establish a 130gr all copper bullet for hunting moose and elk in a .270. (I own a 30-06 and this is my first choice for moose, I just want to develop a round as a back up to my 30-06)

TRIPLE-SHOCK X BULLET (TSX, TTSX, LRX)


I am hoping one of you can answer a few questions.

The price per 50 on the TSX and TTSX is the same. It cost $1 more for the LRX

The LRX has a BT, longer nose profile, and the highest BC out of the three. My question, is there a reason to pick the TSX(non tipped) or TTSX(Tipped) over the LRX(Tipped) considering the price is almost identical?

I've read many reviews where people have taken many moose with the Barnes 130gr TSX series.
I've considered the Barnes 150gr mrx bt but it is more of a partitioned type bullet with a tungsten filled back. I haven't found data on weight retention but if it holds together this may be the one I use if I can find the bullets for reloading.
I've also considered the Barnes 150gr TSX FB but prefer a tipped bullet.
 
The average moose would be honored that have given this much thought into it's demise lol. Moose are not bullet proof, and do not required monolithic premium bullets. Barnes bullets are typically longer than typical lead core (lighter constuction components..the length is required to meet the weight) your rifle may not even like them.

Find a round that groups reliably and run with that. Both the .270 or 30-06 are more than capable. I toyed with Barnes TSX with my 270 (140 gr TSX), it didn't make the deer any more dead than the Hornady Spire Points. My last three moose were muzzleloader with bulk pack pack XTP pistol bullets.

Not looking to discourage you venture here, but don't be sold a bill of goods for $hit you don't need.
 
TSX or TTSX are simply the best hunting bullets on the planet IMO. I have recovered a TSX 130 gr (from my .270 WSM) from a deer here on the woodlot a couple of years ago and the expansion/weight retention is literally textbook. My recovered bullet looks exactly like the one on the Barnes site as well as BC Steve's work. You can't go wrong with a monolithic bullet IMO.
 
The TSX, TTSX and the LRX are all great bullets.

Ignore the naysayers who are putting them down as unnecessary for moose.
While it's true that many moose are shot successfully with non-premium bullets, the extra insurance is very comforting.

You mentioned the MRX...also a great bullet, BUT very expensive compared to the others, since a box only contains 20, not 50.

Most rifles shoot the newer Barnes monometal bullets very well. Load them well off the lands. [I start at .050"]

Cheers, Dave.
 
I took my mulie this last year with a 130ttsx in my 270 and it was a bang flop performance. Highish back shot puncturing both lungs and disintegrating the spine, never recovered the bullet though. Very little meat loss and I didn't worry one bit about lead ingestion. I only bought one box and even after load tests and hunting I still have 30 loaded rounds, should last a few years.

I don't think I would consider anything else now, they work as advertised IF you pick the right bullet for the job. My personal believe is the regular TSX bullet is better suited to a magnum cartridge as it needs more speed for full expansion compared to the TTSX. Just my $0.02 though.
 
I've killed more than a hundred animals with TSXs in calibers from 25 to 458. For most hunting situations I'd rather use something softer.
Hunting bullets are a compromise, trying to combine different attributes to achieve a goal. There is no "best", because when a bullet is specialized enough to be best at something it is liable to be the worst at something else. The bullet that can shoot through as moose lengthwise isn't going to be best for shooting a deer sideways. A bullet that survives 3500 fps impacts is going to be the best long range bullet when velocities have dropped.

The combination of a 130 TSX, moose and a 270 is not a bad one.
 
Eagleye said:
The TSX, TTSX and the LRX are all great bullets.
Most rifles shoot the newer Barnes monometal bullets very well. Load them well off the lands. [I start at .050"]
Cheers, Dave.
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Dave
Any reason you start that far back off the lans with Barnes? I bought some to test in my hunting rifles for this year - 270 WSM, 300 WBY & 6.5x55
 
I hunt deer and Moose

I purchased the following Barnes
30 cal 110 TSX gr flat base
30 cal 180 gr TSX boat tail
270 cal 130 Gr TTSX boat tail
6.5 mm 130 gr TSX flat base


What I hunt with is is
300 Wby Ultralight
3006 R1 Semi
270 WSM
6.5x55

Thinking I might need something in 30 cal between the 110 and the 180 gr - Is the 110 enough for deer?
 
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Every recovered tsx bullet I've held in my hand with the exception of one have failed. That one bullet was fired across a snow covered feild after it missed the target. No expansion no damage. Even vmax can do this. Everyone recovered from game and water jug tests lost all petals. My experience is limited to..257/.284/.308 diameter with the 308 being a 180 gr fired from a 300 Wm into a decent black bear

I'm sure in larger calibers fired into heavy thick game they'll be much better but ill stay with partitions A frames and interlocks for now
 
Barnes recommends starting 0.050 off the lands and this may go back to inconsistency in the original bullets.
The current TSX and TTSX are more consistent and my current loadings are around 0.020 and 0.030 off the lands when loaded in the 260 Remington and a 280 Remington.
The mono bullets are longer than lead based bullets so this enters into the equation for the various loadings.
The 150 grain 270 Barnes are longer than a 160 grain lead based bullet so unless the case capacity allows for it to be driven at higher velocities, it would not be my choice.
In my 280 Remington, I switched from the 160 Speer and went to the 140 grain TTSX at over 3000 fps.
At a BC of .406, the 2000 fps threshold occurs just after 475 yards.
All of the TSX and TTSX I have used performed as designed and none have been recovered. An older 130 grain Barnes 270 was recovered at 129.5 grains on a neck shot.
 
Use them!
They work and are "lead free"!!! No worry of contamination.
These are what I'm currently using;
.300 Win Mag=180gr TSX
.308= 150gr TSX
.280 Rem = 140gr TTSX
.243 Win= 80 TTSX,
.45 250gr TMZ
and if I can get them, the 150gr 30-30 TSX
I use Hornady or Speer etc for the target/range/pre-hunt shoot and confirm groups with the Barnes. The good thing about Barnes bullets is you can back off overall bullet weight. The 308 for example, I swore by 165/168gr Noslers. Now I can achieve the same with the 150gr TSX since its weight retention is near 100% and can increase the velocity to get an edge on tragectory. For the 300 WM I will jump down to either 150gr or 168. The 180gr worked well on my moose but I'd like to take advantage of the lighter bullet ability.
As for backing off the lands, they say (Barnes staff,other writers/users etc) that the bullets prefer the "jump" into the lands as opposed to seating just off. This seems to work I found.
With your 270 & a 130gr TTSX there ain't nothing stopping ya and there ain't much that you cannot take with it!
I don't think you'd have much problem dropping a deer with a 110gr, I plan on using an 80gr ;)
A good read I found is from a Kiwi in NZ;
http://w w w.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase.html
Good luck!
 
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Mudduck said:
Dave
Any reason you start that far back off the lans with Barnes? I bought some to test in my hunting rifles for this year - 270 WSM, 300 WBY & 6.5x55
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I find that loading them closer to the lands, does not improve accuracy, and if you load close to the lands, the pressure tends to build very quickly, and is much less predictable.
 
What benefit if any would the LRX have over the TTSX or vice versa? They are both polymer tipped both have BT's. Info on the bullets is listed below, as I'm new to reloading I'd greatly appreciate any advice or insight as to a comparison of the two.


I've been trying to read what I can on these bullets but the internet obviously has alot of missinformation. Here is some info I've taken note of along the way.

Apparently the LRX is supposed to expand better at lower speeds. approx 1600 fps vs 1800 fps for the TTSX.
The LRX has a higher BC and the ogive is narrower which results in a longer bullet than the TTSX.
The BT on the LRX is more pronounced and tappered than the TTSX which also adds to the longer length.
The bullet should be seated approximately .050 away from the riffling as mentioned on the Barnes site.
The difference in price is $1

The twist rate in my rifle is 10. Will this be good enough to stabilize these bullets? If no twist rate is given does this mean you can go up to 12? Some of the other rounds on the barnes site do have min twist rates specified.


TYPE - LRX BT
DIA. - .277
WGT.- 129gr
LGTH. - ---
S.D. - .240
B.C. - .463
BOX QTY - 50

TYPE - Tipped TSX BT
DIA. - .277
WGT. - 130 gr
LGTH. - 1.322
S.D. - .242
B.C. - .392
BOX QTY - 50
 
Reading through an following the thread.

have just purchased some ttsx off a bloke for my 270win..

I use varget so wont get the 3000 with the 130s so not sure how they will go at 2850, will load some up an give them a go into a sambar.

id say pretty good but possible pinhole/min expansion? but that means 100% penetration which aint a bad thing for a .270..

cheers
wl
 
I loaded 130gr TSX bullets for quite a while for my son. He killed quite a few deer and we never recovered one.

They like being driven hard, the 168 is my go to 30 calibre bullet for moose. I have recovered one from the far side hide of a large Bull moose that did a tome of damage shot at abotu 250 yards from 300 Win mag, and another my son shot into a zebra from his 30-06.

For deer or other small animals with thin skinned they are unnecesary, but they really shine driven fast on bigger game like moose.
 
The advantage of the LRX is that it's heavy tungsten core should make the bullet shorter.
An advantage I would have liked after I bulged a few 375H&H cases while seating 300gr TSX's over a full load of 4350.

<That Gemsbok and a half dozen other critters fell to a 140gr TSX @ 3000fps,it works.
But I never liked the tiny hole in the hollow point.
Checking my zero at the farm with a cardboard box and a gentle slope
for a backstop I actually found one of my bullets unexpanded laying on the frozen ground a few feet behind the target.
The nose was plugged with dirt.

If the TTSX had been available then I would have switched.
 
From Horseman2 -" The 150 grain 270 Barnes are longer than a 160 grain lead based bullet so unless the case capacity allows for it to be driven at higher velocities, it would not be my choice."
Wish I knew this when I tried it in mine. Way too much pressure. My experience so far with them has not been great. I only found out about seating them back .050 recently, so I will be experimenting with them in the spring. My understanding is that they require further setback because the copper requires more run up to conform to the lands than does lead which is softer.
All in all this is a good read. In the end though I believe a good and practised shooter can do more with a so so bullet than an average shooter with expensive bullets. Practise, practise, practise.
 
Ive picked up my .277 130gr TTSX-
looking on the ADI site for charges and it shows the TSX load a few grains hotter than the other 130gr loads.. with the 2208 I should be able to get around 2900fps , Which should work fine? !

Being a basic reload, Should I have the same CAOL as the 130gr SP to start? which was measured off a factory case screwing the die down...

thanks
wl
 
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