Hitting at 300m with a glock - how to prove bs

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owlowl

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Hey,

so basically the question is, how do you prove a shooting video to be BS?

On a video "some trainer" shoots at 300m with a glock and claims he hits steel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYD73YvqH4

There is no doubt in my mind that the video is fake. The way it is done is in fact makes it very clear to me that they faked it on purpose. However, my question would be - how can you make a solid argument to debunk that?

All I can think of right now is that a drop of a 9mm luger at 300 meters is 120 inches. (based on http://gundata.org/ballistic-calculator/). 120 inches is 3 meters. The glock on the video has regular irons with no elevation adjustment, such that the point of aim has to be 3 meters higher than the target. Not only it is impossible to accurately judge 3 meters elevation at 300 meters, but it is also impossible to aim since the gun will cover the target and no way you can transition up and down that much and still maintain proper windage on a target that small.

How would you make an argument? Or you think its real?
 
It would be hard to do first time at a new spot... but if you knew the spot and had figured out an aimpoint it's possible to score some hits now and then.
I'm no pistolero but I can hit steel at 100 meters half the time so it's not crazy for me to imagine a better shooter connecting further out.

Not sure how you'd go about proving fakeness of these clips?
Taking a few shots at 300yards and missing isn't proof either.... :)
 
120" of drop , well if you can hold over consistently what is the problem?

Go look at an old military rifle with the adjustable rear sight.Way more than 120" drop when you do the math where they needed to make hits.

It is totally believable.
 
I wonder what the hold over is at 300meters when you line up the bottom of the front sight blade( where it meets the top of the slide) with the top of the rear notch?

Depending on the sights there are different ways of lining things up so that you cans still hold on or near the target.

It starts to get into the realm of instinctive shooting which is an amazing thing to behold.

Not saying this guy is a champ instinctive shooter I think he's just dialed in his sight picture and aim point.
 
It says it took less than 40 rounds to hit the target 3 times at 300. With someone spotting your shots I am sure it's more than possible.

Seems legit to me.
 
Can-down said:
Maybe it's the beard factor?
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That wouldn't fully explain it. I'm wagering on it being the beard/accent/drop-leg holster combination.

To the OP: Why do you want to disprove this particular video? I can't see anything coming out of this that would make this worth the effort.
 
I used to shoot a lot, every day in fact and all I can say it's possible if you are confident in yourself and your firearm. I had no training at all and I could judge distance pretty well after a while and could even make freestanding shots at ranges well beyond what was considered "normal" or legit. Oh to have those good old days back again!
 
In the video, he claims to have hit the 300M target on the first shot... It's total bull. Why disprove it? Why not... I'd want to disprove a claim that he shot his Glock 9mm into space, wouldn't you?
 
look at my avitar. I shoot 200 yards with that cannon. I'm sure with some trial and error, I could hit 300.
357mag hot load.
 
You have to have a known sighting point. My father-in-law used to win money betting that he could cut a playing card in half at ten metres with an iron sighted 22. He told me the trick, you need a target set up behind the card at a considerably greater distance then carefully line up the card with the target. With a bit of practice it becomes a simple proposition, and money in the pocket.
 
I'm just curious. Why do you care? If someone told me that they Sh it jellybeans all day I would just say "that's nice" and move on. It's the internet.

Is it possible? It sure is. Can you ride a unicycle? "No" but practice enough and you can.
 
I'm curious of my judgment. I feel its staged bull. I want to know if others would share my feeling. But apparently everyone "knew that guy who could do better". While everyone cant even hit under MOA with a hunting rifle and a scope from a bench.
 
I can remember when Clint Benetict(Benny, of Stittsville Pistol Club), would shoot in the Sillouette handgun competition, using his 4" S&W Model 10,
freehand, at the 200 meter rams, using .38 Special cases for ear protection. And he'd hit a few.
Actually he was just showing us young whipper-snappers, how things were done.
Ahh, the good ol' days!
 
A hit is a far , far difference from an MOA group.

owlowl said:
I'm curious of my judgment. I feel its staged bull. I want to know if others would share my feeling. But apparently everyone "knew that guy who could do better". While everyone cant even hit under MOA with a hunting rifle and a scope from a bench.
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