Handgun Holster, what are they used for? (in canada)
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Do you actually re read yourself before hitting 'post quick reply'?
You are mixing things up. Any training is useful specially considering most people don't seek further training for the occasional recreational shooting.
....'I'm still trying to figure out how a loaded gun in a holster is any different from an unloaded gun in a holster'...
You are not allowed to carry a loaded pistol in competitions, period. The only one handling a loaded weapon in the shooter at the shooting line which will only load the pistol under the safety officer command. This is standard procedure in any competition. Do you have any experience in this area?
What you do at other type of training sessions, whether that is for competition or private training, it is up to your trainer. In most cases and from my experience, there are no loaded weapons whether that is pistol or rifles, we do not load until we are ready to do a drill or practice.
You clearly have no experience whatsoever in shooting ranges, shooting competitions, or training.
You have been following me throughout different threads, every time, you mentioned my brand preference several times like if it affected my opinions. I don't see the connection in this matter really, nor why you come at me with personal attacks.
Do we know each other? because you act like you do. If you do know me, I invite you to meet in person and discuss this further. I don't have time to keep answering your internet non sense otherwise.
In the meantime, you are invited to the conversation as long as you bring something useful.
You are mixing things up. Any training is useful specially considering most people don't seek further training for the occasional recreational shooting.
....'I'm still trying to figure out how a loaded gun in a holster is any different from an unloaded gun in a holster'...
You are not allowed to carry a loaded pistol in competitions, period. The only one handling a loaded weapon in the shooter at the shooting line which will only load the pistol under the safety officer command. This is standard procedure in any competition. Do you have any experience in this area?
What you do at other type of training sessions, whether that is for competition or private training, it is up to your trainer. In most cases and from my experience, there are no loaded weapons whether that is pistol or rifles, we do not load until we are ready to do a drill or practice.
You clearly have no experience whatsoever in shooting ranges, shooting competitions, or training.
You have been following me throughout different threads, every time, you mentioned my brand preference several times like if it affected my opinions. I don't see the connection in this matter really, nor why you come at me with personal attacks.
Do we know each other? because you act like you do. If you do know me, I invite you to meet in person and discuss this further. I don't have time to keep answering your internet non sense otherwise.
In the meantime, you are invited to the conversation as long as you bring something useful.
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TheWharGoul
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<sarcasm>All laws and regulations are there because there is a NEED. DONT YOU GET IT? </sarcasm>
it isnt just because people have irrational fears and feel the need to push those fears on everyone else.
Actually, there is, whether published or unspoken.
I used to think that some (a) had a reading comprehension problem or (b) wilfully misconstrued the clearly stated premise for whatever purpose. When there is an observable pattern, you can discern which is the case.
I used to think that some (a) had a reading comprehension problem or (b) wilfully misconstrued the clearly stated premise for whatever purpose. When there is an observable pattern, you can discern which is the case.
A gun that is unloaded and shown to be clear to the RO is confirmed to be so by two people. It is also done with the pistol pointed down range and faced into a berm. Then it is holstered.
A loaded gun put into a holster isn't necessarily going to be unloaded under the same conditions be will have to be unloaded at some time. There are pretty good odds that this will occasionally be done in the parking lot with several people gathered and BSing as we all do. There will be some distractions and likely no berm in sight. Or to continue the realm of possibilities some guns will get unloaded in the "John" or possibly even in a vehicle. How probable are these scenarios? I'm not sure but probable enough for me to favour the stodgy old ways of some of us and the people who have made sports like IPSC incredibly safe.
So my eyes, and my say isn't good enough? This is really what has happened to us, we've all be trained not to trust anybody and that no one is capable of being responsible on our own. Disappointed how far Canadians have fallen.
My grandfather left firearms loaded, unloaded, anywhere he wanted in his house, on the table, leaned against the wall. Handfuls of ammunition all over the place. I am not aware of a single negligent discharge, just because he was messy doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.
So many thousands of international shooters in IPSC, USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge and others clearly are missing the boat. I shoot in every one of these disciplines in two countries and have never heard a single shooter complain about the practice. Even here in very gun friendly Texas if you come to the line with a loaded gun, or leave it without showing clear you are DQ'd without discussion.
So clearly none of these people had faultless grandfathers or memberships on CGN. Backward, stodgy old fudds should banned.....
I was raised around firearms and trained in their safe handling before I have memory. I'm plenty qualified through experience to speak to my safety. I can't speak to anyone elses but I'd give them the benifit of the doubt.
If I don't know something or am confused I'm the first to raise my hand.
Too many people take this stuff too personally. I'm sure you are what you say you are however, when it comes to firearms most are not that trusting and for good reason. This past weekend I shot in a major match here in Texas. We had 150 shooters travel to our site and many shooting teams participate. Some of these shooters compete at the national level and win. They are also Texans who like you grow up with guns. They also have some serious thoughts about personal liberty and personal responsibility. Don't sell them short on any of those counts.
Before the match, the MD made the usual announcements. One of them was that there were to be no loaded guns on the range except on the line after an RO command and no gun handling whatsoever except on the line. He made a point of saying that this inflexible policy applied to LEO's. Why? Because last year a local officer was seen handling his service pistol in an unsafe manner. The year before, Jerry Miculek shot at our match. Guess what, he unloaded and showed clear just like the rest of us.
Without questioning the competence of anyone in particular, maybe these guys know something. I repeat, this is Texas where people don't take kindly to being told what to do. The personal responsibility issue is taken very seriously by law abiding people. Yet with all these people shooting and many spectators on hand, there was zero tolerance with respect to the rules.
I'm a member of another club here in town. It's a huge operation with some of the best facilities anywhere in the state. The rules are the same even with members that carry concealed every day of their lives.
So maybe these folks know something? It's not about you or me it's about us and the protection of what few freedoms we have when it comes to firearms. We don't need one iota of bad publicity or negative attention from the authorities or the press. IPSC and other matches are always insured and the rates are incredibly low. Insurance companies know what they are doing when it comes to risk. Safety is one of our major arguments in countering pressures that never give up. If measures regarding handling and safety are assumed to be a good idea by 100's of thousands of recreational shooters, I'm inclined to go along.
I think you're missing the point entirely.
When you get your drivers licence, you agree to abide by the motor vehicle act.
When you join a competition, you agree to follow set rules and regulations. I get that.
What I'm talking about and have a serious distaste for is when a club requires a non-competing individual to prove their skill with a holster. Yes, they may have agreed with those club rules and I also understand that, but at the core I have a problem with a club making such rules for casual shooters. It discourages people from expanding their interest in the sport.
pisces-guy
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I agree, I like to put my unloaded handgun in my holster when checking my targets and not leaving it on the bench.
Mike will you stop being logical & sensible. Neither of those attributes seem to be welcome by more than a few around here. ;-)
pisces-guy
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I agree with Mike as well, but I unload my handguns when checking/replacing targets as we have to do it with our rifles, so I think it's only fair. 
You got that right! Easy to spot who's got the experience and background and who doesn't.
I don't think it's us that are missing the point ....
If I understand you correctly, you are implying that while competing shooters are expected to demonstrate competence in safe gun handling (including holster use), NON-competitors should be exempt?
That's like saying that if you only drive on rural roads, the standards for driver qualification should be lower than if you commute on a freeway.
I suggest that the first time one of these 'non-competing' handgunners sweeps you with the muzzle of his pistol, you will undergo a change of attitude. Go back and read what I posted about an RCMP member walking towards me while loading his 9mm. And he was a "trained" gun handler.
If I understand you correctly, you are implying that while competing shooters are expected to demonstrate competence in safe gun handling (including holster use), NON-competitors should be exempt?
That's like saying that if you only drive on rural roads, the standards for driver qualification should be lower than if you commute on a freeway.
I suggest that the first time one of these 'non-competing' handgunners sweeps you with the muzzle of his pistol, you will undergo a change of attitude. Go back and read what I posted about an RCMP member walking towards me while loading his 9mm. And he was a "trained" gun handler.
Deal with the individual that makes a mistake, don't make catch all rules that don't reasonably apply to all situations. That's how we got the firearms act.
We're all human and make mistakes and sometimes ignore rules. More rules does not equal more compliance.
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