Handgun Holster, what are they used for? (in canada)

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pisces-guy said:
I agree, I like to put my unloaded handgun in my holster when checking my targets and not leaving it on the bench.
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that is exactly with i created this thread, i just wanted to know if this was possible.
i was not sure about holster since they specifically say to us never point anything except down range and that you cant touch your gun in cease-fire. am happy to see everybody conversing on the subject.

i guess ill ask when i get there, what kind of useless training thing they got if they even allow it.
am unlucky there is only 3range in a 2hour~ drive radius from where i am.
 
There are "mistakes" and then there are criminally stupid acts like sweeping someone with the muzzle of a handgun. The RCMP member in question was dealt with, as you suggest.

Following your rationale, it follows that since "more rules does not equal more compliance", we ought to simply scrap any and all rules as they apply to anything, and handguns specifically.

With logic like that, this discussion has just entered the "Twilight Zone".

NavyCuda said:
Deal with the individual that makes a mistake, don't make catch all rules that don't reasonably apply to all situations. That's how we got the firearms act.

We're all human and make mistakes and sometimes ignore rules. More rules does not equal more compliance.
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NavyCuda said:
Deal with the individual that makes a mistake, don't make catch all rules that don't reasonably apply to all situations. That's how we got the firearms act.

We're all human and make mistakes and sometimes ignore rules. More rules does not equal more compliance.
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I'm with navy cuda. Stop punishing the masses with bs rules that the incompetent nd stupid will never adhere to.

The problemm is the lack of discipline handed out to those who f@@k up. I'm all for a match dq and even a lifetime ban from the range. Shooting is a big boy activity with big boy rules. Act like one or go home.

Tdc
 
Sharps '63 said:
There are "mistakes" and then there are criminally stupid acts like sweeping someone with the muzzle of a handgun. The RCMP member in question was dealt with, as you suggest.

Following your rationale, it follows that since "more rules does not equal more compliance", we ought to simply scrap any and all rules as they apply to anything, and handguns specifically.

With logic like that, this discussion has just entered the "Twilight Zone".
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There is a difference between rules and safe handling practices. Rules like, prove you cleared your gun are just that rules. Rules are only as good as the people who choose to follow them. Safe handling practices dictate that you ensure the firearm is always handled safely. A firearm can be handled safely while loaded, in or out of a holster. So at the end of the day, no matter if you have no rules, or lots of rules, you have to rely on how responsible that person is feeling that day.

I'm not suggesting there is not an inherent responsibility to use firearms safely, but we don't need "rules" to do that.
 
Now I'm lost. Aside from requiring compliance, rules are there so that when you break them, enforcement can come into play. Casual is a dangerous word is the gun game; rigor is a good word. The first error made by any shooter might be the last one that you observe. In any case, this thread has run its course for me. My head hurts and I'm ready for my nap. It must be the twilight zone effect.
 
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Now we're picking fly sh!t out of pepper, differentiating between "rules" and "safe gun handling practices".

Rules are necessary as some people are not as smart as they think nor as smart as we would like to think they are. The "rules" and "safe gun handling practices" as taught by the CFSC barely cover the basics, leaving the fine tuning to others.
The shooting sports and ranges reserve the right to require any and all additional training they deem necessary. The individual has the right of non-compliance and the sport and/or club has the right to deny participation.

As I said earlier, there is an element which simply cannot abide being told that their "safe gun handling practices" are not up to scratch and resent any and all "rules", regarding them as a personal slight on their abilities.
 
Well guys I disagree with rules that are dumbed down to most idiotic denominator. A lot of the antis arguments are based on this most dumbed down denominator that we can't be safe with our firearms ever. I find holsters are safe and actually prevent negligent discharges, since they completely cover the trigger and hold the gun out of the way. But that's just my opinion and yes I could be wrong but that's what I believe in for now.

But before the flame starts, just the fact that I disagree with range rules doesn't mean I don't follow them, I'm not some macho with an ego complex, I shut-up and I follow the rules while I'm there. I just don't agree to them, but since they force me to follow the rules or get the fack out, well I follow the rules when it comes to holster carry and I don't make a big deal about it.

But it's ok guys, let's not start a panic over here, we're all allowed to disagree, we're allowed to have different opinions, its an internet forum!

What I really don't accept is being called adjectives or portrayed as a gunslinger war hero wannabe because I think my pistol belongs in a holster. I'm trying to get into 3gun and IPSC this summer and those require holsters and require me to be safe and efficient with holster carry, being called names because of that is frankly to put it in the other guy's words "stupid".
 
Mike,

I suspect that you will find IPSC a blast and 3Gun even better. I started with IPSC and then I got an AR so that I could shoot in the many carbine matches where I winter in Texas. A year later I shot a shotgun match and that was the beginning of 3Gun. As much as I liked IPSC, the AR gave my fun component a big boost. Then shooting a 12 ga for the first time in 50 years wowed me again and so the shotgun joined my wife's reluctant family.

You might find that this "rules" thing is just a balloon that many like to play with. In the total context of the shooting games they are just part of life and really no problem.

Gord
 
exactly, bottom line, if you wanna shoot those disciplines you will adapt and the rules will become natural and at one point you will just go with the flow, because everybody is in the same boat and you will be having fun and you won't care nor you will think about it.
It took only 12 pages and maybe more than 130 posts! I hope that is enough.

hercster said:
Mike,

I suspect that you will find IPSC a blast and 3Gun even better. I started with IPSC and then I got an AR so that I could shoot in the many carbine matches where I winter in Texas. A year later I shot a shotgun match and that was the beginning of 3Gun. As much as I liked IPSC, the AR gave my fun component a big boost. Then shooting a 12 ga for the first time in 50 years wowed me again and so the shotgun joined my wife's reluctant family.

You might find that this "rules" thing is just a balloon that many like to play with. In the total context of the shooting games they are just part of life and really no problem.

Gord
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I have used my holster at a local range before as it was allowed under the range rules. You can also walk around the inside of your house with a unloaded holstered handgun.
 
This dead horse issue is truly beaten to death - and beyond. Let's bury it. It's starting to stink. The OP got his question answered and then some. The rest has just been people blowing smoke.
The macho chest beaters have made it clear that they are above any and all 'rules' governing holster use and so long as they are shooting at a range that will tolerate that, it's a non-issue. They were born with the inherent ability to use holsters without committing any safe gun handling fox paws and the 'rules' are an inconvenience to them.

Which begs the question - what other 'rules' regarding safe gun handling are they exempt?
 
Sharps '63 said:
This dead horse issue is truly beaten to death - and beyond. Let's bury it. It's starting to stink. The OP got his question answered and then some. The rest has just been people blowing smoke.
The macho chest beaters have made it clear that they are above any and all 'rules' governing holster use and so long as they are shooting at a range that will tolerate that, it's a non-issue. They were born with the inherent ability to use holsters without committing any safe gun handling fox paws and the 'rules' are an inconvenience to them.

Which begs the question - what other 'rules' regarding safe gun handling are they exempt?
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Love how you say you want to bury the thread, then go on to insult anyone who disagreed with you and suggest they may be wilfully ignoring other safety rules.
 
I never once implied there were no rules - I just don't think the average Canadian shooter is so backward, so inherently defective, that they can't comprehend them without some retired guy screwing them over for the cost of a half-assed wanna be "holster course" that isn't even recognized at the next gun club, never mind recognized in the next country. Frankly I'm a strong believer in taking courses, I've taken the odd one myself - but generally I want to see more qualification from my instructor than "Old Walt's the guy who runs the holster course, you can't use a holster until he says you can". In fact, I want to see more qualification than "old Walt was a cop for 30 years". With no curriculum, and no standards for either course material or instructors, these courses are one of 2 things: a total waste of time, enacted only to build one more hurdle between newcomers to shooting and the sport, or a financial grab, one more way to drain the new shooters pocket. With regard to the (reverential pause) Black Badge - it's a course about shooting one type of pistol game, the majority of the course (according to this guy I used to know who was pretty good at it - Murray someone or other) is about the rules of the game. The rules are quite restrictive, due to the sport in question being A) international and B) run by a committee. It's not a game I play, frankly not interested. That I'm not interested in shooting IPSC does not mean that I don't want to know how to use a pistol, properly and as intended. So, if it's OK with your highness, I'll just go over here and use my gun, safely, in my own way - or is being left alone to do so, too much for your highness to bear.
 
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Yup, it's all a conspiracy to loot the pockets of new shooters. Very astute of you to realize that; except that our club does not charge for the service. We impose the "hurdle" free of charge.

Like I said earlier (twice), there is an element that (a) resents being told that they don't know it all or (b) resents having to prove it that they do, regardless of the presenter.
I take it that if the "guy who runs the holster course" was cute young thang in a thong (and I know a few who could fit that description), it would be more acceptable than if it came from "some retired guy" who could kick your ass all over the range?

Again - like I said (at least twice), you have the option of non-compliance. The clubs that require the qualification have the right of exclusion. Live with it.

This dead horse really refuses to die. I'm actually getting used to the stink ..... ;>)
 
Actually, IPSC has relatively few rules other than the basic safety requirements that are common to IPSC, IDPA, USPSA, Steel Challenge and others. Once the timer goes, the shooter is pretty much on his own shooting "freestyle" for the rest of the stage until we get to that dreaded "show clear and holster" stuff. IDPA is much more confining so don't try that if you don't like "rules".

I totally agree that if a range or club requires a paid holster course then it should be of good value. A highly-regarded international shooting academy conducts advanced courses in my area. They offer pistol, carbine and shotgun sessions at a decent cost.These people have taught many thousands of shooters at all levels. For pistol courses, they incorporate a short holster course on the first day. I wonder why?

BTW, I'm 70 years young and have memberships in all the disciplines and actually use my numbers to shoot a match every weekend. I'm also retired. What a loser!

On the subject of age, I recall an old joke about the old bull and the young bull. Ask someone.
 
Another use for my hosters (kydex/leather hybrid) is for organized storage. I installed hooks on the door of my safe and hang the holster on the hooks and then store the pistols on the door freeing up space inside.
The only thing we can't do with our holsters in Canada is carry for self protection beyond limited work related exceptions.
 
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