Dovetail rings vs weaver adapter

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Hi,

Looking for recommendation on if I should go with dovetail rings on a marlin 795 or get an weaver adapter mount and weaver rings?

Also what is the difference between burris signature rimfire rings(#420554), burris signature universal rings(#420501) and burris signature double dovetail rings(#420561)?

Cheers
 
lowe160 said:
Just from memory the Signature rings have the inserts to align and protect the scope, the others are just the normal ring. The Zee in the designation means it will fit a weaver base.
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Yes you are correct, but these all say they are part of the "signature" series. Also, none of the 3 are weaver bases all are dovetail as I understand it, unless I'm ready the info wrong.
 
The rimfire rings will clamp directly to the dovetail grooves machined into the top of most rimfire rifles...no base required.

The universal rings will require a standard STD-type base, available from Leupold, Burris, etc. The front ring has a male dovetail which mates with the female recess on the top of the base. Rotating it 90degrees locks it in place. The rear ring is held by one screw on each side of the base, allowing for a wee bit of windage adjustment.

The dual dovetail has a similar base to the universal base, but uses the male-female dovetail set-up at both front and back. Each ring is inserted separately and then rotated to lock into place. Super strong, and a nice clean sleek appearance. I've never seen this used on a rimfire...usually for heavier-recoiling guns.

There are also Weaver-type bases which will either screw to your pre-drilled receiver, or clamp to your rimfire-dovetailed receiver, and then allow you to use any Weaver-style rings, such as the Zee rings. I'd go with this option if you can find it.
 
jjohnwm said:
The rimfire rings will clamp directly to the dovetail grooves machined into the top of most rimfire rifles...no base required.

The universal rings will require a standard STD-type base, available from Leupold, Burris, etc. The front ring has a male dovetail which mates with the female recess on the top of the base. Rotating it 90degrees locks it in place. The rear ring is held by one screw on each side of the base, allowing for a wee bit of windage adjustment.

The dual dovetail has a similar base to the universal base, but uses the male-female dovetail set-up at both front and back. Each ring is inserted separately and then rotated to lock into place. Super strong, and a nice clean sleek appearance. I've never seen this used on a rimfire...usually for heavier-recoiling guns.

There are also Weaver-type bases which will either screw to your pre-drilled receiver, or clamp to your rimfire-dovetailed receiver, and then allow you to use any Weaver-style rings, such as the Zee rings. I'd go with this option if you can find it.
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Thanks jjohnwm

Is this the style of base you are talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Profile-A...1392780625&sr=1-1&keywords=Dovetail+to+Weaver

If so, could I just get a set of Signature Zee's and that base and that's all I would need to attach a scope to a Marlin 795?

Thanks for the help
 
Yes, that would work. That base is fairly tall, and even with low rings it might mount the scope higher than you want it. For sure, if you get that base, get the lowest rings possible. Mounting a scope on your gun is actually a piece of cake, but getting just the right scope, in just the right rings, at just the right height, sometimes can take a bit of experimenting. All part of the fun of tinkering with your toys.
 
jjohnwm said:
Yes, that would work. That base is fairly tall, and even with low rings it might mount the scope higher than you want it. For sure, if you get that base, get the lowest rings possible. Mounting a scope on your gun is actually a piece of cake, but getting just the right scope, in just the right rings, at just the right height, sometimes can take a bit of experimenting. All part of the fun of tinkering with your toys.
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Yes, they do look very tall now that you mention it, any you would recommend?
 
The WEAVER TO-10 (48202) Top Mount Base will slide onto your receiver grove ( 2set screws will anchor it in place) it will allow you to use the Std wide base weaver type rings or 3/8 type clamp on rings. I just went this route on a old Mossberg .640 so I could get the scope back further for proper scope eye relief. This rifle wasn't drilled and tapped for mounts.
 
Not really. I actually have one on my own 795, but it's been on there for years and I don't recall the maker. Weaver makes one called a T010 that works on some dovetails...there is a bit of variation in the "standard" 3/8-inch rimfire dovetail and I didn't think it was getting a sufficient grip on my older gun, but it mounted to a relative's newer 795 perfectly. If you're close to a Cabela's, WSS or other big shop maybe just go in and snoop around. The Weaver base is probably something like $10...not a huge gamble. If it works on your gun, you will probably like it, as it is very low-profile and unobtrusive.

Edited to add: Sorry, NB Rifles beat me to it...I type slowly! :)
 
Thanks for tall the help

I notice that the WEAVER TO-10 (48202) says "This adaptor base is engineered to fit a Winchester 94/22" is this the only mount close to fitting the Marlin 795?

what does the 10 refer to in Weaver TO-10 vs the 9 in Weaver TO-9?

Cheers
 
The Weaver T09 base is contoured to fit the receiver of a Ruger 10/22, and attaches with screws to the factory-drilled holes.

The #12 looks like one of about a zillion different bases that Weaver manufactures, contoured and hole-spaced for specific firearms. If the bottom contour matches the curve of your Marlin's receiver, it could be used but only by drilling and tapping appropriate holes in the receiver. It's a two-piece base, and each piece requires two screw holes. Trust me, there are easier ways to mount a scope on a $150 .22 rifle.

Unless you absolutely, positively must use Burris Sig rings, how about considering a one-piece base/ring combo designed for airguns and rimfires? UTG makes them, along with other manufacturers. They can be relatively expensive if you buy the ones intended for top-level, high-recoil spring-powered airguns, but the simplest, cheapest ones work just fine on a .22. They do not use the polymer inserts of the Signature rings, but they're machined in one piece...the rings are in perfect alignment, and will not torque or damage your scope tube. You can lap them if you like, but it's certainly not necessary.

Okay, I just checked out the D&L Airgun website. Browse around there and you will see everything you need. They have a couple of rimfire-to-Weaver adaptors that look lower than the one you found earlier (and will allow the use of the Burris Sig Zee rings), as well as a selection of one-piece mounts. They have $100+ Theoben mounts (which won't do anything for you on a .22) as well as $25-$30 dollar Leapers/Gamo/SunOptics jobs that will serve you well. I've dealt with D&L and will do so again...no problems.

And thanks for bringing this thread back, because while checking their website I found just the little gizmo I've been searching for to complete one of my DIY Bubba projects. :)
 
jjohnwm said:
The Weaver T09 base is contoured to fit the receiver of a Ruger 10/22, and attaches with screws to the factory-drilled holes.

The #12 looks like one of about a zillion different bases that Weaver manufactures, contoured and hole-spaced for specific firearms. If the bottom contour matches the curve of your Marlin's receiver, it could be used but only by drilling and tapping appropriate holes in the receiver. It's a two-piece base, and each piece requires two screw holes. Trust me, there are easier ways to mount a scope on a $150 .22 rifle.

Unless you absolutely, positively must use Burris Sig rings, how about considering a one-piece base/ring combo designed for airguns and rimfires? UTG makes them, along with other manufacturers. They can be relatively expensive if you buy the ones intended for top-level, high-recoil spring-powered airguns, but the simplest, cheapest ones work just fine on a .22. They do not use the polymer inserts of the Signature rings, but they're machined in one piece...the rings are in perfect alignment, and will not torque or damage your scope tube. You can lap them if you like, but it's certainly not necessary.

Okay, I just checked out the D&L Airgun website. Browse around there and you will see everything you need. They have a couple of rimfire-to-Weaver adaptors that look lower than the one you found earlier (and will allow the use of the Burris Sig Zee rings), as well as a selection of one-piece mounts. They have $100+ Theoben mounts (which won't do anything for you on a .22) as well as $25-$30 dollar Leapers/Gamo/SunOptics jobs that will serve you well. I've dealt with D&L and will do so again...no problems.

And thanks for bringing this thread back, because while checking their website I found just the little gizmo I've been searching for to complete one of my DIY Bubba projects. :)
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I'm glad that in a very indirect way I was able to help you out, lol

I had looked at the UTG and the Leaper 1-piece mounts but in all the images I saw the scope looked like it sits REALLY hight, I was trying to keep it as low as possible.

Since the 795 isn't drilled and tapped how do I attach the WEAVER TO-10 mount? The local store didn't have them in stock so I couldn't physically look at them but they appear as if they screw into the receiver in all the photos I see.

Thanks again for the help
 
The Weaver TO10 has a channel milled out on the bottom, with dovetail sides, and it slides over the dovetails on the receiver from the end. Once it is positioned, the setscrews on top are tightened down against the receiver top, which tightens the rig up. Not a good setup for guns with recoil, but it works on .22's just fine IF the dovetails match closely in size, i.e. if they are actually the standard American 3/8-inch size. Unfortunately, what with manufacturing tolerances, etc., this isn't always the case. I always try this one if I'm scoping lightweight .22's using lightweight scopes, and when it works it's nice. Some guns have dovetails a bit narrower than ideal (my 795, for one...) so that there is just a hair-thin contact along both sides of the dovetails. Tightening the setscrews can just pop the thing right off. The problem is made more severe with aluminum receivers. It doesn't take much to mar the edges of the dovetails, and if you attempt to tighten the screws too much you either strip the threads in the soft aluminum base and/or chew up the edges of the receiver dovetails even more.

If you already have the Burris Signature Zees, then try the Weaver base out. If it works, it works...if not, it's probably 10 bucks. Maybe your local gunshop can even let you try sliding the base onto your rifle if you bring it in, and you'll have your answer immediately. If you don't actually have any rings yet, maybe just grab the Signature Rimfire rings and call it good.
 
I'm looking to mount a scope on a 9422 Magnum. From what I've read here, one of the Leapers/Gamo/SunOptics one piece mounts would be a good way to go?
 
I'm just getting ready to order a set of rings from them for my CZ455. They are great to deal with. UTG no bad stuff for rim fire. I have the one piece unit and works great on my 10-22.
 
Those mounts work great, especially for their low cost. They come in several different heights...depending upon where the scope eyepiece is located in relation to the hammer, you'll probably want at least a medium height. Don't overdo it, thought, because then your cheek weld goes out the window. Hopefully you can have gun and scope in hand when buying the mount, to check how they work together.
 
I decided to order the Weaver T0-10 #48202 and the UTG 1-piece as they both were relatively inexpensive. I haven't had a chance to put any rounds down range with either set up yet but visually i like the Weaver and Burris ring set up more as it looks a little cleaner and has a smaller gap between the scope and barrel. The weaver mount seemed to grip the picatinny rail nicely and hopefully with some loctite wont go anywhere.

Thanks for all the advice and once I have a chance to get out I will confirm my final choice.

Cheers
 
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