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Hi.Like a few of the recent posts, I too am looking for a 9mm. I have searched the net for product reviews on 9mm's and found most of them to be less than helpfull. Too many of them are posted by our friends to the South. They have different needs. Many posts rank the 9mm's on how they would serve for home defence, for personal defense, or for concealed carry. None of this applies to Canada.

What would you suggest for a quality 9mm? I a looking for an all metal construction. I have no use for polymers. I keep any firearm I purchase without thought of resale. I still have my trusty 30-30 winchester I purchased in the mid 70's. I have never modified a firearm, so would want something that works well out of the box.

I intend to use the firearm for target practice, maybe get into IPSIC down the road.

I would like to find something under $1000., but would go to say $1750. for a quality piece.

Currently I shoot a 45 cal Pedersoli Lepage target pistol (Flintlock), a 44 cal Pedersoli cap and ball remington pattern revolver, and a Ruger MKIII.

I have heard that the CZ SP 01 is a great piece, but breaks springs. The SIG P226 looks good. The Beretta 92FS too. HK have a few nice ones.

Where I live, there are few stores with a good collection of handguns. So testing for fit is extremely difficult.

Kevin
 
The bit about CZ's breaking springs isn't my experience. 5 years on and many thousands of rounds and I'm still using all the original parts and springs.

A good idea would likely be to get a couple of like minded buddy's together and come down to Port Coquitlam and try a bunch of guns out at DVC. It won't be a cheap day but you'll quickly find out which ones you like and which fits your hands.
 
Cz breaking springs is because people modify them with different springs and don't know what they are doing = broken springs.
Soft springs for soft ammo
Regular springs for regular ammo
Soft springs with regular ammo = broken springs.

I have a cz orange, my wife has a regular shadow, i also have a sig and a springfield xd, cz is by far the best of them all.
 
Armalite pistol? They have one, AR24 I think. They advertised that it had no plastic anything on the gun and the only Non metal components were the 2 rubber grips. Ive never fired one so can't comment. Im pretty sure either wanstalls or wolverine had them at one time but I just checked the heavy hitter sponsors and can't find them.
 
Not sure about IPSC but my Jericho 941 Steel is the smoothest 9mm i have shot.
$600 tag is very nice & quality is awesome so far, im on my 4th bundle of 1000 rounds right now.
 

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Here are my quick thoughts on the ones I'm familiar with:
  • CZ75s: Comfortable grip, functionally reliable, reasonable price. Maybe not quite as durable as some but definitely "durable enough" for nearly everyone. I've owned three and have liked them all. All steel makes for good balance. Can be obtained with decocker or safety for "cocked and locked" mode.
  • SIG P226: Comfortable but large grip (although I can manage fine with small hands). Reliable and accurate. Bore height over grip, combined with light frame and heavier slide accentuates muzzle flip, although even with mine in .357 SIG I don't find it objectionable at all. Can get models with different trigger or grip versions (short trigger and E2 grip) to reduce trigger reach but I didn't care for either. I've owned two and currently own one. No safety, decocker only.
  • Beretta 92FS: Large pistol with large grip (although I can also manage this one fine too). Reliable and accurate. Heavy DA trigger pull that can be super-easily lightened by installation of the "D Spring". Decocking slide-mounted safety. I own a 92FS Inox and really like shooting it.
  • 1911 in 9mm: Very comfortable grip for most shooters. Although not my experience, some can have reliability issues. Light recoil and usually very good trigger pulls. SA only. I've owned a STI Spartan and have fired an STI Trojan extensively.
  • Glock/S&W/H&K: None have any currently produced all-metal models, although all make some very good polymer-framed pistols.
 
Ideally you want to hold a few first because you will prefer the feel of some more than others.

my 0.02 is if you want a nice target piece, may want to get into IPSC and can manage the bump in price, i don't think you would regret going for a higher end CZ (I'd go for the Tactical Sport, but the Orange and Canadian are sweet too or if you really want DA) or a Sig X5 all-round.

If you find you like the 1911 frame, the STI trojans have great reputations, and can get them in 5 or 6 inch barrels. I've heard the 6" 9mm trojans are really accurate, though maybe less practical for ipsc.

I've never regretted going for quality, and i don't know too many people who do either
 
Jericho 941, best value and good trigger. CZ 75/85, reliable and problem free with factory load. Springs can be changed when using softer loads. My CZ 85C had at least 2500 rds with reduced power mainspring and recoil spring with no problem at all. Just got an SP01 Shadowline, same reduced load and so far not a single hiccup. Beretta is also good, so as SIG P22X series. My suggestion, try as much of metal pistols as you can. Go to a range where they rent pistols or buy ammo and politely ask club members if you can try their pistols. For me, GRIP and SIGHT Picture plus the weight/balance are major factors to consider.

Safe Shooting!
 
Quick hit list for your primary goal of an all-metal pistol

Sig P226
CZ - SP 01 Shadow
IWI Jericho 941
Beretta 92 series
Browning HiPower

There are Norinco all metal replicas, not sure if thats in your selection criteria or not

The Jericho and Shadow are fundamentally the same pistol, I swear the barrels and recoil springs are identical (dont quote me on that, just an impression)

I agree, American opinions are all focussed on concealed carry - light weight and short barrel - useless information for us Canucks. They almost never comment on service life or accuracy for range shooting
 
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The Beretta and the Sig are alloys not Steel.

Browning high powers the way to go
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Not to split hairs.. absolutely true on the steel. OP was asking about all metal. If steel was the parameter, 100% the HiPower, if alloy was fine, I would go Sig. Sounded like he was not interested in polymer slides for sure.
 
92FS Inox - easy choice (if you have good sized hands). I have 3 92 variants and a 96 and they all feel "just right" in my big mitts. Oh, and the op rod is plastic, but that gets changed to a metal one as soon as I get them in the front door ;) ;)
 
And Sig x5 and some other variants are full stainless steel (slide and frame) not lightweight alloy frame
 
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