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I'm looking at learning / honing skills to shoot 1000-2000m+ and wondered if anyone had any personal experience with schools or if anyone has any individules that teach well?

I was looking at the Rob Furlong Acadamy as well as the Gunwerks clinic. You get an extra day with Rob for less money, is Gunwerks worth the extra money?
Are there other options out there?
I've spent all the money on the rig, just want to learn to be proficient with it.
 
condomboy said:
I'm looking at learning / honing skills to shoot 1000-2000m+ and wondered if anyone had any personal experience with schools or if anyone has any individules that teach well?

I was looking at the Rob Furlong Acadamy as well as the Gunwerks clinic. You get an extra day with Rob for less money, is Gunwerks worth the extra money?
Are there other options out there?
I've spent all the money on the rig, just want to learn to be proficient with it.
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Talk to Longshot on here. He will sort you out. Excellent shooter and excellent teacher.
 
There are no 2 Km courses of fire. No ranges of that distance either. You can't see the target at that distance anyway. Nobody should ever even think of taking a hunting shot at that distance. Not that anybody nor any cartridge is capable of hitting a game animal that far away.
Furlong's claim to fame is the 2340 meter shot. Took him more than one with a highly mofidied .50 BMG rifle. Mind you, it took Hathcock more than one with a scoped Browning .50 BMG too.
Suspect you'd learn more by shooting DCRA matches than paying some guy.
 
sunray said:
There are no 2 Km courses of fire. No ranges of that distance either. You can't see the target at that distance anyway. Nobody should ever even think of taking a hunting shot at that distance. Not that anybody nor any cartridge is capable of hitting a game animal that far away.
Furlong's claim to fame is the 2340 meter shot. Took him more than one with a highly mofidied .50 BMG rifle. Mind you, it took Hathcock more than one with a scoped Browning .50 BMG too.
Suspect you'd learn more by shooting DCRA matches than paying some guy.
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Well - to be fair - the time I spent with Longshot helped my fundamentals and shooting immensely. I say that is good value for paying a guy.
 
sunray said:
There are no 2 Km courses of fire. No ranges of that distance either. You can't see the target at that distance anyway. Nobody should ever even think of taking a hunting shot at that distance. Not that anybody nor any cartridge is capable of hitting a game animal that far away.
Furlong's claim to fame is the 2340 meter shot. Took him more than one with a highly mofidied .50 BMG rifle. Mind you, it took Hathcock more than one with a scoped Browning .50 BMG too.
Suspect you'd learn more by shooting DCRA matches than paying some guy.
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There are no ranges with a 2km distance and the only range in BC that I know will handle a .50BMG is Abby which is limited to 100m.
Clear line of sight, I'm sure you could see a target to shoot at through a scope at 22x.
I'm talking Precision Shooting and that's where this post is, not in the hunting section so I'm talking targets, not animals. As for the cartridge being able to hit a game animal at 2km, if you can hit a moving man at 2.4km, a standing moose shouldn't be an issue (again, I am talking targets which is my whole reason for the post)
His claim to fame was a shot with a similar rifle to what I have hitting a moving target at a distance of 2340m, whether it was three shots or fifty shots, to be able to have that claim, I'm in!
if I try to shoot 'matches' then I will be at ranges which again, won't allow me to shoot my rifle. By paying some guy we aren't limited to ranges or will have special permission to be able to work on fundamentals with my big heavy beast of a rifle

Thank you for your input though
 
Check out Milcun, near Minden. Keith and Linda will give you world class instruction. learn to shoot out to 1000 after going back to the fundamentals.
 
Sorry, let me clarify, Western Canada.
I'm in Vancouver, but I have places to stay in Kamloops, Kelowna, Prince George, Calgary so anywhere near those... would be looking at a week long max so I'd take a week off work and take a days drive basically
 
A .50 BMG is not the gun to start learning your fundamentals on. Hope you have something else in the safe that will allow you to send lots of lead downrange more economically. Time in the field and on the range with a gun that you can practice with in volume are going to be key.
A teacher is not going to be able to give you a lot of direction if your out of ammo, broke, and have a concussion after 50rds LOL!
 
I would look at Furlong.....as mentioned the fundamentals that you are after is the right way to go...volume shooting does not teach any skill other than perfecting your mistakes.
Plus Rob is shooting the same platform as you are...that is a benefit as well.
 
I don't own anything larger than .308 so maybe I don't know anything however I will give my $0.02 worth.
No matter if you are shooting a .22 or a .50 the fundamentals are the same shooting 600y or 1600y the fundamentals are always the same.
If your fundamentals are good and the information you are using to calculate is good then your results will also be good.
Garbage in = Garbage out.

You can learn as much by shooting a .17HMR at 300y into a 10mph 90 degree wind as you can shooting a .50BMG at 900y into the same wind.
 
Colquhoun said:
I would look at Furlong.....as mentioned the fundamentals that you are after is the right way to go...volume shooting does not teach any skill other than perfecting your mistakes.Plus Rob is shooting the same platform as you are...that is a benefit as well.
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True, if you assume nothing useful is being learned ... but once the fundamentals have been realized, it's good to be able to repeat as much as possible to ingrain them.
A .50 is probably not conducive to creating good fundamentals. Recoil and concussion aside from the cost make the cartridge far less than ideal as one to be used for learning. But, perhaps the OP is impervious to recoil. I'm sure they'll realize soon enough.
 
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dryfire said:
True, if you assume nothing useful is being learned ... but once the fundamentals have been realized, it's good to be able to repeat as much as possible to ingrain them.
A .50 is probably not conducive to creating good fundamentals. Recoil and concussion aside from the cost make the cartridge far less than ideal as one to be used for learning. But, perhaps the OP is impervious to recoil. I'm sure they'll realize soon enough.
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Plus side of being a bigger guy, I don't get pushed around much by recoil, plus my Savage .308 kicks harder than the .50... It's so heavy she's a pussy cat :)
 
dryfire said:
True, if you assume nothing useful is being learned ... but once the fundamentals have been realized, it's good to be able to repeat as much as possible to ingrain them.
A .50 is probably not conducive to creating good fundamentals. Recoil and concussion aside from the cost make the cartridge far less than ideal as one to be used for learning. But, perhaps the OP is impervious to recoil. I'm sure they'll realize soon enough.
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Yes very true....key being that you are practicing good fundamentals that have been learned from good resources. Then shoot all you can and make every shot count for something. Too many times people will say to get a .22 and 10,000 rounds of ammo and you'll be great...this is not the right approach. A .22 is a good cross trainer for some fundamentals but not all just as a .50 is good for some but you will fight others.
Train in such a manner that you cover off all of the fundamentals and some rifles/calibers are better at some than others.
 
Colquhoun said:
Yes very true....key being that you are practicing good fundamentals that have been learned from good resources. Then shoot all you can and make every shot count for something. Too many times people will say to get a .22 and 10,000 rounds of ammo and you'll be great...this is not the right approach. A .22 is a good cross trainer for some fundamentals but not all just as a .50 is good for some but you will fight others.
Train in such a manner that you cover off all of the fundamentals and some rifles/calibers are better at some than others.
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When I go for training I was going to bring along a .308 hunting rifle and a .223 hunting rifle that's set up for prone/bench shooting to be able to help keep costs down.
I understand the idea of getting a cheaper caliber and learning basics. I've been shooting rifles off and on for 25 years and for the most part it's been .22LR and I've shot countless thousands of rounds... the basics are the same but I've never had to think about how cross wind at different sections of the bullet travel can impact flight, or the calculations for the distances... it's always been controlled areas and usually no longer than 100 yards. Then the feel of each rifle differs in stock design and trigger pull/break and overall weight of the platform and dealing with recoil and scope adjustments/dialing. maybe my stance is all wrong for dealing with prolonged larger caliber recoil? something I've never had to think about with .22LR or .223
 
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You say you want to use your gear for this training, and according to Gunwerks website the "Long Range University: Level 2" or the class that is offered here in BC, you will be shooting their rifles for this.

This course stands on its own. There is no prerequisite for this course, however, you may choose to take a L1 course as preparation. All L2 courses will have a Gunwerks shooting system supplied with ammunition. We use suppressors at our home location to provide an enhanced training experience. All other incidental equipment is supplied.
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so that may factor into your decision.
 
porterhouse said:
You say you want to use your gear for this training, and according to Gunwerks website the "Long Range University: Level 2" or the class that is offered here in BC, you will be shooting their rifles for this.



so that may factor into your decision.
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Yeah, that's the down side with that course since they have branded their own products, guns and ammo, they are going to want to you to be comfortable with their gear

pluses and minuses to both, less wear and tear on your own gear, but then it's not your gear for fitment and feel
 
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