monkey hunting in South America

[hoytcanon]

I hope you were not thinking I would contemplate a head shot with a bow. I know what a field point does to a 2x4 when it goes through too little hay.

I was wondering why that deer thing.(wtf is that anyways, a wilderbeest) why it didn't run any more. My though on bleeding to death was that it had to hurt a lot. When you get an ice cream headache the blood vessels in your throat constrict from the cold cutting off blood flow to the brain. Knowing that feeling I would have to assume it's similar when a throat is cut, or if there is a major artery severed and instead of blood building up pressure in the artery to get to the brain it would just leak out.

So ye or ney on bleeding to death feeling like an ice cream headache

WOW! Where to start...

Your speculation is not supported by observation of game fatally wounded by arrows.

I have been bowhunting for 40 years and have personally witnessed on many occasions...

My very first whitetail buck was feeding on acorns when I took the 20 yard shot... the buck jumped when it heard the string
"thump" after looking around for the source of the noise and finding nothing, it went back to feeding... thinking I had somehow missed I was reaching for an another arrow when the buck laid down and tipped over dead without so much as a kick.

The record Canada bull I took in September, showed no visible reaction to the first arrow through the heart, or to the second arrow through the lungs. The bull attempted to call to an incoming bull and take a step, but just tipped over backward... again, not a kick.

There were dozens of similar events between these two experiences... granted these were well struck animals (heart/lungs). I am convinced that fatally struck archery game experience little pain. If a poor, non-fatal wound occurs there is obviously pain involved... moreso if the arrow strikes heavy bone and/or remains embedded in the animal.

Studies done on "non-fatal wounding loss"
For bowhunting indicate a recovery rate in the neighborhood of 85-90%.

For experienced archers the goal is a lethal heart/lung shot... in which case the animal passes on to the "happy hunting grounds" in as peaceful a fashion as nature allows... how do you think and old weakened bull would feel about getting pulled down by a pack of wolves and partially eaten before death overtakes it?

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

My bow @ 66# 241-245 ft/sec
Buddies Xbow @ 150# 240-245 ft/sec

Both arrows within a few grains 410-420 , mine being heavier.

Changed limbs and cams on my bow the got to 260-265 ft/sec.

Actually I would. I just got my son a nice compound bow I'd like to see the difference.

What grain arrows vs bolts did you use in your test?

 

[Ardent]

In bandit86's defence he has been admirably honest and forthcoming here in his experience, that is far better than often seen here. So bandit as you point out, we all have to start somewhere, and in my opinion good on you for detailing where you're coming from and where your preconceptions came from. Welcome to the best pursuit on earth, by the way, you'll be able to learn lots here.

 

[Bowie]

If you never hunted how would you learn? Come to work with me I will tell you how much you suck at fixing elevators and all that you think you know is complete nonsense.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable by asking questions and lurking the forum trying to gain knowledge so that when I get out there I make as few a mistakes as possible. As far as actual hunting I was out twice for groundhogs and once for bear, didn't see anything.


My questions and opinion stem from my little experience on the subject. On yoitube i saw a video where a guy was bow hunting. A (whitetail think it was, I never have the sound on) deer charged him, he cooked the bow and a hit the deer and it dropped dead instantly. The deer had its head down and it got hit in the neck, probably did something to the spinal chord.

My friend uses a crossbow to hunt deer in south ontario. 100 grain broad heads to the lung cavity he says they rarely run for more than a few seconds, I know a.200 pound draw crossbow will do more than a 60 pound draw bolt one is more efficient.

In fairness, my above comment was not directed at you, hence my preamble.
That said, properly placed arrow is an extremely efficient hunting tool. There are several factors to consider though:

It takes more work to become proficient with a bow than a rifle, and all your shooting is done offhand. As such, poorly placed arrows do happen. Also consider that even a 5-10 yard error in range estimation can result in a poor shot. Botching a shot with a rifle is somewhat more forgiving as there is a tremendous amount of shock which may slow an animal down. In addition, a second shot is faster with a rifle, and even if the animal tavels several hundred yards, there is a reasonable chance at a second shot.
That said, a deer is a giant lung wrapped in a thin skin, creating a perfect big game animal to bow hunt. I have never had a deer run more than about 80 yards, some far less. If you do choose to bowhunt, keep in mind that a quick humane kill involves massive blood loss, and it does not look pretty.
Practice lots, buy a range finder, and learn proper shot placement.

As far as cossbows go, a short bolt sheds velocity far faster than a long arrow. The real advantage is at very close range. It is very easy to get busted when you draw your bow - you can remain motionless with a crossbow.


I don't know anything about elevators

 

[bandit86]

My crossbow is 200# and is advertised at 305fps

 

[bearkilr]

Studies done on "non-fatal wounding loss"
For bowhunting indicate a recovery rate in the neighborhood of 85-90%.

WTF is "non-fatal wounding"? Wouldn't the recovery be 100%, and 0% for "fatal wounding", lol?

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Not knocking your bow, but when the IBO tests are done on bows they are with lightweight arrows and maximum draw length, that is how they inflate the numbers to sell without telling lies.

Put in a hunting arrow with appropriate broad head then those numbers go down drastically.

My crossbow is 200# and is advertised at 305fps

 

[1899]

Not knocking your bow, but when the IBO tests are done on bows they are with lightweight arrows and maximum draw length, that is how they inflate the numbers to sell without telling lies.

Put in a hunting arrow with appropriate broad head then those numbers go down drastically.

Unless things have changed lately, you don't have the option of very lightweight bolts with crossbows. Of course the downside is that bolts are far less aerodynamic than arrows, so the bolts bleed off speed very quickly.

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Not sure how light they actually go but I have seen as low as 250gr. Suppose with a 100gr point you would be game worthy for sure be we know how manufacturers like to bamboozle us.

Unless things have changed lately, you don't have the option of very lightweight bolts with crossbows. Of course the downside is that bolts are far less aerodynamic than arrows, so the bolts bleed off speed very quickly.

 

[bandit86]

Not knocking your bow, but when the IBO tests are done on bows they are with lightweight arrows and maximum draw length, that is how they inflate the numbers to sell without telling lies.

Put in a hunting arrow with appropriate broad head then those numbers go down drastically.

My bad it's an exocet. 330 fps with 350 grain arrow or bolt. I shoot 420 grain fixed broad heads. It's slower but flies nice.

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

I did look into the fact after shooting some bows through the chrony , I was dumbfounded how low the numbers were compared to IBO speeds, thought a bought a dud!!So some research a long time ago made me aware of what took place and what to realistically expect.

But you are right, as long as that bugger shoots nice!

Not much is gonna stop a 400+gr arrow with a fresh fixed broad head.

My bad it's an exocet. 305fps with 350 grain arrow or bolt. I shoot 420 grain fixed broad heads. It's slower but flies nice.

 

[bandit86]

So how do they get much faster speeds than advertised?

 

[FLHTCUI]

What about one those guns like they use in the first preditor movie, it has 5 or 6 barrels and spins , maybe called a mini gun, it can shoot a lot of bullits really fast. It would put a bad hurtin on the Monkeys. Any body know where to get one of those by the way?

The mini gun was designed by an engineering guy from the suburbs around Victoria BC...
But, whats the point of annihilating monkeys or baboons ?
they do have a place in the environment, even if one does not lkie them.
Best Regards,
Rob

 

[Deerdr]

They are a little to close to Humans on the Evolutionary Chain for me to hunt primates, FOR SPORT

 

[Crouchy]

This thread was like meatloaf, a little bit of everything! Starts with monkey hunting then to monkey defense. Then to hunting ethics and ballistics. All of this with the throwing of feces! Some literal throwing of deficate and some verbal. Thanks to all for a great distraction this fine saturday morning.

Now my question remaims... What is the legality on monkey hunting and what is the prefered method or tool?

 

[ElkMasterC]

Your guides:

 

[canadian hunter312]

So how do they get much faster speeds than advertised?

When manufacturers state that a certain bow will shoot an arrow at whatever speed they use the lightest arrow that can safely fired from a bow. With compound bows they'll use an overdraw rest to get the most FPS and with crossbows they'll use strings that provide the highest FPS.

With the Exocet that you have, Excalibur used the lightest weight bolt you can shoot safely with that bow along with a fast flight flemish string. They used no sound dampening products like the S5 sound suppression system, limb savers, or whiskers on the string that lowers the speed. If I had to guess, I'd say you're likely getting 310-315 fps or so with a 420 gr bolt/head combo. I have an Exomax and with a FFF string, S5, and dissipator bars and it shoots 346-348 fps with a 370 grain bolt/head combo and it's advertised at 350 fps.

A bow shooting 400 fps will not kill a deer any faster than one shooting arrows at 275 fps. The only advantage of a faster bow is lower trajectory making range estimation less crucial.