Let's see some pictures of your worn out shotguns
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I have 2004 built Browning Gold Golden Clays that has a little over 37000rds thru it and if I posted pics of it you'd swear it was new...it still runs like a new one...and will do so for another +37000rds! A worn out gun will have the internal parts fail or worn to the point that tolerances reach the max allowable therefore causing reliability issues. On the flip side of the token, I could post a pic of an old 4 digit serial numbered 870 that looks like it's been thru 3 wars, and most would swear the gun won't work but I'd bet my life on it if the SHTF at anytime! Pics will prove nothing unless it's pics of broken internals.
ninepointer
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If by worn out you mean off-face, the only doubles I've personally ever seen worn out were both old (which to me means pre-WWII) and cheap to begun with; hardware store guns. One exception was a just-out-of-the-box Norinco coach gun with external hammers that a guy brought to the skeet range; it came off-face right from the factory. I've seen lots of guns whose lever is no longer right of centre, yet they still lock-up tight.
I have never worn out a shotgun just one rifle a 22 250 and that was the barrel. May have to had replace some minor parts but never worn out to put them out of service totally.
I have remington 870 and 1100's with well over 200,000 rounds through them and my dad trap superx1 that must have had 300,000 plus since he was putting over 20,000 a year on it when he would shoot events
Cheers
To me it is not about wearing them out but rather do you want to keep replacing components when they break, the cost and of most important the frustration when they fail to work properly
I had a new mossy 9200 that had the bolt explode into small pieces when just about new and maybe 500 rounds.Scared the crap out of me but put a new bolt in it and a member wanted to buy it so sold it as is and he still has it duck hunting
I have remington 870 and 1100's with well over 200,000 rounds through them and my dad trap superx1 that must have had 300,000 plus since he was putting over 20,000 a year on it when he would shoot events
Cheers
To me it is not about wearing them out but rather do you want to keep replacing components when they break, the cost and of most important the frustration when they fail to work properly
I had a new mossy 9200 that had the bolt explode into small pieces when just about new and maybe 500 rounds.Scared the crap out of me but put a new bolt in it and a member wanted to buy it so sold it as is and he still has it duck hunting
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I have a Rem model 10 that still shoots...stock is broke at the wrist (common failure site) but its mechanically sound.
On the other hand I know of a guy who owns an 870 that self ejects. When fired single handedly it ejects the fired hull. Stays in battery otherwise but the lock lug on the reciever roof shows rounded edges(wear).
On the other hand I know of a guy who owns an 870 that self ejects. When fired single handedly it ejects the fired hull. Stays in battery otherwise but the lock lug on the reciever roof shows rounded edges(wear).
gunsaholic
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As already mentioned, it will be hard to gets pics of worn out clays guns (a) because it is mainly the internals or mechanics that wear out and (b) a lot of shooters maintain and replace parts if it breaks down.
Fair enough. I'll settle for pictures of broken parts. Some background, I'm testing the market looking for a semi auto 12. While I love the look, feel and perceived performance of the Benelli and Beretta, however in reality I don't need a gun to shoot 10000 rds per year, but 2000 to 5000 is easily possible. So what I've been reading is that if you shoot more than 2000 rds a year you need to buy a more expensive gun. That's fine, I'm willing to accept that, if there is proof other than hearsay and conjecture.
Yesterday I stumbled on a thread where a gas piston on a Benelli M4 had broken, including pictures, so I know they are out there.
I'm concerned solely on function. Fit and finish are secondary. This gun will be dropped, rained on, kicked around, fed every type of ammo possible. I have a pump already, so it's time for a semi.
Fit by far is the most important but if you are focused solely on function don't buy a 500 semi
I currently in 12 ga have Golds, maxus, A400, Win Super X 1 ,2 and 3 and remington 1100 ( 1st and 2nd design), 1148 and 1187
and I use the X3 more than any of the rest. It fits and works flawless for me and I would suggest camo if you are going to kick it around
Best semi still by far is the super x1 BUT it is only 2 3/4" and you have to like vintage guns and tinkering on them so the X3 would be my choice for you or Silver
Sorry but I am chuckling when you want to see picks of broken parts. Back when I shot 4 gun with 1100's I would go to a shoot with 4 complete extra guns and a tackle box full of parts just to get through the event. Rebuilding them between rounds
Even the very best of the best break parts sometimes and don't function but the odds are much lower
Cheers
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3macs1, when I was shooting a lot years ago at Orillia there was another avid shooter who exclusively shot 1100's. He did the same thing as you, always had extra 1100's in his trunk and a tackle box full of parts for of them. He could have a malfunction on station, excuse himself, repair the gun, and be ready to complete shooting the station before the rest of us were finished shooting it. He may not have been the best shot, but he was definitely the best expert in the area on 1100's.
In all my years of shooting I have never encountered anyone that had truly worn out a shotgun. Parts need replaced now and then, some more on some guns than others. But a worn out gun no. There was an old fella here in town years ago that swore he wore out 3 Win M-12's shooting ducks in the 30's, 40's, and 50's, but that may be just the story he told his wife when he wanted a new gun.
In all my years of shooting I have never encountered anyone that had truly worn out a shotgun. Parts need replaced now and then, some more on some guns than others. But a worn out gun no. There was an old fella here in town years ago that swore he wore out 3 Win M-12's shooting ducks in the 30's, 40's, and 50's, but that may be just the story he told his wife when he wanted a new gun.
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Yes sir you are taking me back in time now. The old man shot in Orillia Club I think if that was the one next to Epps in the early 60's. He would toss the family in the old station wagon during the summer and off we would go to Moms relatives in Ontario for two weeks and all he did was shoot.
The extra 1100's and boxes of parts was how we all did it back then. I still have the 1100's and a tackle box full of this old stuff . But I still shoot them from time to time so need it
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Quality clay target guns are built to be rebuilt. When they break parts can be replaced. One of the reasons I prefer to stick with established brands is the availability of spares from companies like Beretta, Remington, etc.
Remington 1100s can often grind through parts at a surprising pace but spares are easily installed. Unless the frame cracks there is no reason they can't go on forever. Here's a pic of a set of fractured action bars. This happened twice on a 28 gauge I owned. FWIW, when I buy spare parts I always buy at least two replacements and with my 1100s have often needed them.
Remington 1100s can often grind through parts at a surprising pace but spares are easily installed. Unless the frame cracks there is no reason they can't go on forever. Here's a pic of a set of fractured action bars. This happened twice on a 28 gauge I owned. FWIW, when I buy spare parts I always buy at least two replacements and with my 1100s have often needed them.
Yes the Orillia Club is just in behind Epps. I wasn't around there in the early sixties, a little before my time. I came on scene in 1976.
Any of the newer Beretta's, Browning, Benelli, Winchester, semi's should be more than capable of chewing 5 grand a year without looking back. The Win. SX-1,2,3 are capable of digesting several hundred thousand rounds without looking back. Especially the SX-1 in particular as 3macs1 and I can personally attest to.
Any of the top name over and unders should give you a life time of virtually trouble free service. There's always the odd exception as they are mechanical devices made by man.
To the Op buy the best gun you can afford that you like that fits you and just go out and shoot it, you may or may not have the odd part fail over time but you won't be wearing it out in your life time.
Any of the newer Beretta's, Browning, Benelli, Winchester, semi's should be more than capable of chewing 5 grand a year without looking back. The Win. SX-1,2,3 are capable of digesting several hundred thousand rounds without looking back. Especially the SX-1 in particular as 3macs1 and I can personally attest to.
Any of the top name over and unders should give you a life time of virtually trouble free service. There's always the odd exception as they are mechanical devices made by man.
To the Op buy the best gun you can afford that you like that fits you and just go out and shoot it, you may or may not have the odd part fail over time but you won't be wearing it out in your life time.
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It is a small world my friend and the 60's and 70's were definately the good old days for shooting. I started in about 65 ??? trying to break them all LOL but the old man took us to many shoots prior to watch him even though I was too young and had no clue what was going on. Probally still don't
Do remember going in Epps for my first time however. Still love the place
Take care
gunsaholic
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It is a small world my friend and the 60's and 70's were definately the good old days for shooting. I started in about 65 ??? trying to break them all LOL but the old man took us to many shoots prior to watch him even though I was too young and had no clue what was going on. Probally still don't
Do remember going in Epps for my first time however. Still love the place
Take care
You do realize that you are dating yourself!!! LOL
Yep
but all joking aside I am not as old as many think. Just started very very young which now I am very thankful for. Reading many of your posts over the last few years me thinks you are not far behind me gunsaholic
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Yep
SHhhhh--it's a secret!!
I am not that old either, just well experienced. My Grandfather had me on a trap field when I was 15. I remember I got 17/25 on my very first try with my Dads M-12. I thought it was pretty good. He said it wasn't bad but you missed 8.
Going to Epps used to an interesting experience as you could walk up and down the rows of guns and look at what you wanted all day if you liked. Ellwood, Don, and George were behind the counter, the girls on cash. I got to know Don as I shot with him at times. They lost a lot guns from that set up as there were a lot of guys carrying guns in and out of there and it turns out many went out the door not paid for. One January when they did an inventory Don told me they just over 100 guns that were unaccounted for.!! The honor was gone from the honor system.
Going to Epps used to an interesting experience as you could walk up and down the rows of guns and look at what you wanted all day if you liked. Ellwood, Don, and George were behind the counter, the girls on cash. I got to know Don as I shot with him at times. They lost a lot guns from that set up as there were a lot of guys carrying guns in and out of there and it turns out many went out the door not paid for. One January when they did an inventory Don told me they just over 100 guns that were unaccounted for.!! The honor was gone from the honor system.
