Magazine Heaven - 20 rds in an M1A

Whoa Whoa, read this first... The mags will be pinned to 10... All of the info is in the thread NR Magazine has going... I'm ordering 2 mags :rockOn:

Cheers
Jay


Moe said:
I must be missing something here. Although there is no limit in bold rifles. How does that get around this part of the regs http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html#sched1

To be specific, the part that says you can't have more than a 10rd mag for a Lee Enfield rifle.

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,

(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,

(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or

(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or

(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that

(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or

I am not a Troll or trying to stir the pot. I just want to know how were getting away with a 20rd mag in an Enfield.

Moe
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NR Magazine said:
You are correct. The twenty (20) cartridge magazine will need to be pinned at ten (10) cartridges. We decided to go with the longer mag because it's nice and long for use as a monopod with the Enfield. A strict ten (10) cartridge magazine may also be possible.
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NaviDave said:
I am not entirely sure the AIA .308 rifles are a variant of the Lee Enfield. I don't think any parts interchange.

Anyone else agree with this?
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Jay said:
Chuckle, I will tell you from personal first hand knowledge, that the AIA bolt action 308 mags MOST CERTAINLY fit in a semi auto M14, and it's LEGAL.

Cheers
Jay
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moogles said:
I think he was comparing the 308 AIA to the named original 303 for purposes of arguing whether the AIA's are limited to 10 rounds.
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Jay said:
The fact that it has been called, and I quote the Marstar site;
"Australian International Arms' No.4 mk.IV rifle blends the best features of the SMLE (Short Magazine Lee Enfield) rifles from which it is a direct descendant with the latest technological advancements in engineering and manufacturing techniques.", means it will be considered a varient...

So the mag limit as Moe pointed out, applies.

Cheers
Jay
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moogles said:
Thanks Jay and Moe for clearing this up. I had been wondering about this since I first caught wind.

Cheers
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Now I'm ever more confused! 10 rounders 20 rounders legal not legal variant. Somebody needs to call the RPMC to clear this up
 
Cbob, the Enfield is specifically limited to 10 rounds, as per Moe's post above. The AIA Enfields are a varient in 308 and their mag, while different, happens to fit AND function in the semi auto M14... Does that clear it up?

Cheers
Jay
 
I don't get all the excitement over these 10 round AIA mags.

Its a stupid idea to use these with a rifle that's supposed to only hold 5 shots, plus, you can get a USGI CMI mags for cheaper.
 
djankle said:
I don't get all the excitement over these 10 round AIA mags.

Its a stupid idea to use these with a rifle that's supposed to only hold 5 shots, plus, you can get a USGI CMI mags for cheaper.
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What's stupid is having to go through these lengths to put ten rounds in a rifle that's SUPPOSED to hold 20.
 
djankle said:
I don't get all the excitement over these 10 round AIA mags.

Its a stupid idea to use these with a rifle that's supposed to only hold 5 shots, plus, you can get a USGI CMI mags for cheaper.
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Better read up on mag laws or better yet Jay's summary a few posts up. If the mag legally holds 10 for the rifle it was designed for, putting it in a different semi auto is ok. CMI mags are pinned to 5, being designed for a semi auto.

And I'll second that 5 rounds is a shame in a battle rifle!
 
Cbob said:
Now I'm ever more confused! 10 rounders 20 rounders legal not legal variant. Somebody needs to call the RPMC to clear this up
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(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or

Now here is the thing. The AIA rifle is called the AIA M10 rifle. It's not a lee enfeild rifle they changed the design you could say it's a variant of the rifle but that line doesn't say Variant so in theory 20 would be legal. They did this because the lee enfield rifle was made into a machine gun durning WW2 I actually got to hold 1 in my hand it was very simple and cool to look at. Very rare gun and very expensive gun that you can't have and is now worthless because of it. Varent doesn't matter it is or isn't the rifle it's as simple as that it sure looks like it but they changed it allot. Canada owns the rights to the Lee Enfield rifle so the question is should they be going after them for making a copy?

The RCMP hate that fact and will say no we say it's something else they can say it's a variant but no were in the law does that matter when it comes to magazine capacity just designed and manufactured for. Policy isn't law. They like the variant card but when you ask them what makes it a variant they go ahhhh..... ahh...... ah.... we said it is...
 
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haha49 said:
...the lee enfield rifle was made into a machine gun durning WW2 I actually got to hold 1 in my hand it was very simple and cool to look at. Very rare gun and very expensive gun that you can't have and is now worthless because of it. .....
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How did they make a bolt action gun into a fully auto (bolt) gun??
 
I don't care what idiotic laws they come up with. As long as the local constabulary is smart and doesn't try to enforce this crap we'll all get along just fine. The RCMP out here are great guys - they come out to do their work related shooting, they leave the rest of us alone and it works.
 
Odd Shot said:
How did they make a bolt action gun into a fully auto (bolt) gun??
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They cut and welded the bolt so it would have the firing pin forward. They drilled a hole into the receiver and took a piano wire spring that was handmade to pull the bolt forward. They then replaced some trigger parts to lock the bolt to the rear then you just pull the bolt back it locks in the rear stick the magazine in then pull the trigger and all the ammo is going down range you had no burst control. It was made by the same Canadian who made the M1 Grand firearm as they wanted more machine guns at the front line and they had lots of bolt guns to play with. They did lots of experments like that. I knew 1 guy who was making sten guns for the war in his basement they're very simple to make. Rifleing the barrel was the only part were he needed the part or needed a tool to do it everything else he could do by hand. It would just take more time. Was neat to see that sort of thing back when it was all legal to do.

The problem is because the spring was exposed it was a throw away gun meaning you kill someone with a better gun you take that one and keep fighting. It was very prone to breaking and was very unreliable once the solider had a chance to upgrade they would throw them away very few made it to the actually battle field and even fewer are still around today as once you fired it had a high chance of shooting the bolt back out the rear or breaking.

1 guy I spoke with was telling me how he saw a lever action rifle that someone made into a machine gun by making an op rod and spring operate the lever he said it was really neat and well though out. It was a 12.3 prohib.

So pump, lever, and bolt guns can be made into machine guns with allot of tools and thinking it out. It can be done if you really want to it's just not super easy or reliable.
 
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