Pre 1930 Mosin

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Tell me about them. I understand they can contain different features or unique stamps?

I may have a nice 1927 Izzy coming my way to add to my collection. If I like it enough, I may start collecting the older 91/30s.

Cost, selling and purchasing, means nothing to me
(for those suspicious).
They made 30 million of them and I have plenty of money already, thanks.
 
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Izzys are not as collectable or as nice as other pre 1930 options.
Sestroryetsk A northern suburb of St. Petersburg that was a location of Mosin Nagant production from 1892 to 1918 come to mind, they have a beautiful caligrafy makers mark and were used by the Tszar. Somewhat rare to come by however.
 
I don't know... I buy on condition and period correct features.

Even though they are all refurbs and to a degree mixmasters, a pre 1930 rifle in a post war stock kind of turns me off, for example. And I know that none of those guns are in their original 1920s configuration to begin with, what with having been upgraded to 91/30 spec at some point. It's just something that bugs me.
 
FredSKS said:
I know my 1932 hex-receiver is head and shoulders above my 1943 for fit-and-finish, trigger smoothness, etc.. Don't know if that affects your decision.
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Date of manufacture has nothing to do with how smooth the trigger is & I would bet that most of the parts on your 32 were made during ww2. The surface finish of all pre 1941 rifle started out astonishingly good but their current condition is anywhere from butter smooth to surface of the moon. Barrels on the earlier production rifles started out with somewhat tighter bores too but I have a 32 I just picked up at epps with a .305 bore & my slug was not big enough to fill the grooves, so its over .315. Still shoots 4" groups.

BTW, the condition of these molots compared to the previous tradex imports is trash. Good (at best) bores, super deep counter bores, complete mixmasters with either post war stocks or beat & repaired earlier stocks & enough pitting to go around for everybody.
 
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Have a 1929 (very nice), according to the above mentioned form it could be a proto type or a converted. Any way to figure it out ? (Mark wise) All numbers match ( no evidence of scrubed out and remarked ) ,stock is correct (slots with screwed in sling guides).
 
Mr_jonny said:
Have a 1929 (very nice), according to the above mentioned form it could be a proto type or a converted. Any way to figure it out ? (Mark wise) All numbers match ( no evidence of scrubed out and remarked ) ,stock is correct (slots with screwed in sling guides).
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Quick way to check if it was converted to 91/30 standards is to look at the rear and front sights. The sight hood was a addation on the original (it was originally just a blade sight). The rear sight should also be in arshin's basically the sight will be more curved (if you google it you can see what I mean).
 
And what's the consensus on these "ex dragoons"? What the heck is a dragroon? A regiment or something?
 
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A dragoon is historically 'mounted infantry'. They were trained in both infantry skills and cavalry skills but were not experts at either. They had shorter rifles as they were mounted but they usually fought on foot.
 
When you get your 1927,(if you don't mind). Take off the stock and look at the rear of the barrel/chamber assembly. I noticed today (by the trigger) a set of russian markings.( tried to take a picture of them , but wouldn't show up) when translated (what I can make out, _ for ? Letters) yf_e_ . Also has the pie symble by itself. Does yours have it? Thanks for the help everyone!
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Quick way to check if it was converted to 91/30 standards is to look at the rear and front sights. The sight hood was a addation on the original (it was originally just a blade sight). The rear sight should also be in arshin's basically the sight will be more curved (if you google it you can see what I mean).
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If it has the blade front sight & the curved rear, its still a dragoon. Its almost impossible to tell if it a prototype or a conversion for sure but most likely a conversion. I would assume the prototypes would have unique serial #.
 
Mr_jonny said:
When you get your 1927,(if you don't mind). Take off the stock and look at the rear of the barrel/chamber assembly. I noticed today (by the trigger) a set of russian markings.( tried to take a picture of them , but wouldn't show up) when translated (what I can make out, _ for ? Letters) yf_e_ . Also has the pie symble by itself. Does yours have it? Thanks for the help everyone!
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I have Cyrillic

пишу

on mine.
Means I write.
 
Some photos to illustrate the differences between the dragoon & a 91/30. Bottom Fin 27 tula dragoon, Middle Fin 22 updated dragoon & a 25 tula refurb I just received from Weimajack.





 
This is a shot of the barrel stamps and markings. I still need to get the thing in my hands and check the bore, crown, action bolt and stock. Metal looks good here though...
 
Nice rifle! Judging by the black finish, refurb stamp(!) and the colour of the stock I would hazard a guess and say it is an "ex dragoon" rifle that was refurbed into 91/30 specs.
 
I have a 1924 that looks to be an Izzy ex-dragoon (now has 91/30 sights, etc). Would make a nice addition to somebody's collection, and I need room in the safe for my next project. PM if interested
 
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