Surrender or destruction!

I agree a rally is needed totaly
I cant understand the items we can not have us law abiding working people keep getting squashed because the rcmp are scared to go after the criminals and we are easy prey
No you cant have a silencer No you cant have that gun its prohibited or now it is were taking it away WHY I Ask?
Its so bad they even count our bullets in the mag ? Oh its so they can take you down on a mag change WTF. We are not the criminals and the criminals dont care about your laws
the do what they want and they know honest people are easy prey because the police go after the honest working people and there scared to go after them and we suffer because of both side of the law.

My kids go to privat school pretty bad when they ask me why the law makes good people criminals
 
great suggestion John - BUT - I am concerned that cutting the receiver in half an removing the serial number may just place the members in line for a criminal charge of altering a firearm! I am thinking more in line of seeing the creation of the class action to end all class actions and the entire Federal Government, by that I mean the individual members who have allowed the situation to come about, owing us millions of dollars in response to this magnificant betrayal.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
If finally prohibited, IN MY OPINION the owner only needs to destroy the receiver, there is no requirement to inform the Government.
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Hmm John, It is a criminal code offence to destroy a prohibited firearm and not report it.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-51.html

106. (1) Every person commits an offence who
(a) after destroying any prohibited firearm, restricted firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or
(b) on becoming aware of the destruction of any prohibited firearm, restricted firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition that was in the person’s possession before its destruction,
does not with reasonable despatch report the destruction to a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer.
Marginal note:punishment

(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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This is very much law, not policy.

Not trying to pick a fight, just a friendly heads up so you don't end up in trouble. Given what the law states, you should at the very least consult with a lawyer before making such a statement publically. There is a very fine line between stating your opinion and instructing people to do something illegal.
 
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sewktbk said:
Hmm John, It is a criminal code offence to destroy a prohibited firearm and not report it.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-51.html



This is very much law, not policy.

Not trying to pick a fight, just a friendly heads up so you don't end up in trouble. Given what the law states, you should at the very least consult with a lawyer before making such a statement publically. There is a very fine line between stating your opinion and instructing people to do something illegal.
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Thank you, I stand corrected, a lot will depend on the terms of the amnesty, and when the destruction takes place. We are advising everyone to wait and see. I have received reports of some people destroying receivers already!

First post corrected.
 
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fiddler said:
What if it was destroyed before it was a prohibited weapon? Sorry Man, it was a Babba gone bad. I tossed it. Who knew it was gonna be prohibited one day?
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This brings up an interesting point everyone should be aware of :
As it stands, not a single owner of these firearms has been made officially aware by the government of a classification change. So as far as you're concerned, you're still in possession of a non restricted firearm. You don't have access to the FRT, and this new prohibition is nowhere to be found in the criminal code nor the firearms act. You purchased that gun legally, and although you may have heard rumours of reclassification, no reliable, governmental source has confirmed any of it.

You are a citizen acting in good faith.
 
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sewktbk said:
This brings up an interesting point everyone should be aware of :
As it stands, not a single owner of these firearms has been made officially aware by the government of a classification change. So as far as you're concerned, you're still in possession of a non restricted firearm. You don't have access to the FRT, and this new prohibition is nowhere to be found in the criminal code nor the firearms act. You purchased that gun legally, and although you may have heard rumours of reclassification, no reliable, governmental source has confirmed any of it.
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Yes--What of the n/r 858 owner who is not a CGNer, who has been out of the country/loop/on holidays, submerged in work or whathaveyou for a number of weeks and takes his rifle to the range or off in the bush for a day and meets up with the RCMP? I can't see that ending well....
 
Gents, instead of destroying your precious Swiss rifles, why not rather sell them "back" to Europe? I could buy a couple of "complete uppers" myself..
 
bimex said:
Gents, instead of destroying your precious Swiss rifles, why not rather sell them "back" to Europe? I could buy a couple of "complete uppers" myself..
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That's interesting. I am far from defeat but these discussions are really interesting and worth noting in case we are forced into plan "B" or "C" or even plan "D"

thanks for all the input. btw I am still writing more dam letters and encouraging others to do the same.
 
A great point - it is confusing and problematic for all parties. The RCMP should be notifying all CZ858 and non-restricted SAN owners with a letter in the mail confirming that their firearms have become prohibited. In the event of a charge, without a registered letter, the Crown would have to prove that the owner was aware the classification of his/her rifle had changed. This would be difficult.

The only way a letter could be sent out is if records still existed prior to the end of the LGR. Doing this would have extremely serious repercussions. And, this pool of owners would not include those who purchased rifles after the end of the registry.

All this being said, would any individual owner want to risk it by carrying on as if their firearms were still NR and plead ignorance? I doubt it...I for one would not.

Hopefully the amnesty will give the government time to come up with a reasonable plan.



sewktbk said:
This brings up an interesting point everyone should be aware of :
As it stands, not a single owner of these firearms has been made officially aware by the government of a classification change. So as far as you're concerned, you're still in possession of a non restricted firearm. You don't have access to the FRT, and this new prohibition is nowhere to be found in the criminal code nor the firearms act. You purchased that gun legally, and although you may have heard rumours of reclassification, no reliable, governmental source has confirmed any of it.

You are a citizen acting in good faith.
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icabod123 said:
Hopefully the amnesty will give the government time to come up with a reasonable plan.
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Politically this would be a feasible outcome. Even though all of us would love to see the entire firearms act scrapped, that probably isn't realistic.
 
doc25 said:
At this point wouldn't that be against the law?
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Dunno, I assume that at least commercial dealers/exporters would be able to get export licenses from your authorities.. I didn't mean selling/exporting without necessary paperwork of course. I've bought and imported some guns from US and that was faster and easier than I expected (well also more expensive, commercial US exporter company made it easy and expensive).
 
Owners of ALL semi-auto military style rifles, beware! I don't believe that this is the last of the re-classifications. Type 97 owners should be especially concerned, since they took them once already, and could re-classify them at any time for some fabricated reason. They don't need to prove anything to do it. The fact that any federal agency can confiscate legally obtained, private property, without court order or act of parliament, and without fair compensation, is nothing less than theft and is a disgrace on our nation. It is something that we all must realize; we own NOTHING. All of our "property" belongs to our government, since they can take it from us at any time. In the eyes of the RCMP, and the government, we are not citizens, we are slaves and they are our masters.
 
Surrender or destruction my ass. Im in agreement with one of the posts saying we as gun owners should collectively grow a pair. The fact of the matter is that there are a great deal many more of us than RCMP , and good luck trying to find said guns or any other types they decide reclassify. Yes it may be word of law wriiten by some urban idiots in Ottawa . I guess i'll be an outlaw, and i will keep my property I also know that there are probably a good deal of serving mounties and CF members that also shoot and would not likely go along with this BS. I wonder if there are going to be numerous lawsuits regarding search and seizure based on the LGR data that isnt supposed to exist. I dont own either of these rifles in question, but i have firearms. if it comes down to it they will need to use numerous resources to locate and to seize them from me. This whole situation is a crock, and the funny thing is that the "powers " that be dont even realize that they will be pissing their pants if they awaken the gun owning hoards in Canada.
 
As a member of the CF I do not have a right to openly express political opinion. However I can state that I do not agree with the seizure of personal property that was legally obtained. I am an avid firearms enthusiast and believe that the rights of Canadians are being violated. I sincerely hope that this latest prohibition spurs our leaders to take affirmative action ensuring our rights in the future!
 
The statement does not express any opinion about the current government. Simply an opinion on Canadian rights and a desire to see things improve.
 
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