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G17 what's the skinny
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They aren't difficult triggers, they are unforgiving triggers. The shot is all you, good or bad.
TDC
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first try on Glock, impressd me!!
Glock was at bottom of my list until this morning, a gentleman at our range let me shoot his old (1986 or 19xx) G23 .40
i was a little nervous at first cause i've never shot .40 but it was great, not much felt recoil than my CZ75 and i actually shoot it better than my 9mm.
if the Glock doesn't look so plain, it'll be on top of my list for next purchase.
so, it'll be trouble for me when i have chance to buy more; 1911 or Glock? hmmm
Glock was at bottom of my list until this morning, a gentleman at our range let me shoot his old (1986 or 19xx) G23 .40
i was a little nervous at first cause i've never shot .40 but it was great, not much felt recoil than my CZ75 and i actually shoot it better than my 9mm.
if the Glock doesn't look so plain, it'll be on top of my list for next purchase.
so, it'll be trouble for me when i have chance to buy more; 1911 or Glock? hmmm
The first gun I ever shot a Glock, didn't care much for it than... than years later I got a Glock 22 gen2 for $275 (after I sold the extras it came with), was surprised I actually liked it...always hated gen3 grip but still had a few of gen3 Glocks after that... After they came out with gen4 I'm gigging Glock quite a bit. Had a G22 and now rocking a G17.
You see a lot of them for sale because there are a lot of them out there.
You see a lot of them for sale because there are a lot of them out there.
r34skyline
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Is that a HK45 as your profile picture? Have you tried the lem trigger on those before? If anything it's even more unforgiving than a glock trigger. The glock trigger has the important bits just like the LEM. One consistant trigger pull, tactile repeatable reset. That's all a service pistol ever needs.
It's nothing like shooting bows with feet while doing handstands. It's about basic trigger discipline, and being able to run the gun correctly. If you flinch with a sig or cz75 or 1911 the heavy weight and forgiving trigger soaks it up. A P30L/HK45, or Glock/M&P does not. If your shooting ability sucks it shows that right away.
An audi rs4 is actually less capable than a porsche 997 911 carrera 2s. However it is much more forgiving to abrupt steering inputs, or poor brake and throttle management. The 911 will spin you out and put you up a tree if you tried that #### in it. So what the porsche is set up badly? No, you have to drive it properly to get the best of it. Otherwise you will embarrass yourself. Same goes for glocks. Learn to run it right, Me improving on the LEM also showed a dramatic improvement on sigs and czs.
Its only a negative for those who don't understand the fundamentals and can't demonstrate them. Its only a negative for those who cannot read, more specifically those with comprehension issues.
The trigger on a stock glock is more than acceptable for either service/defensive use or competition. With a total travel of 0.5 inches at a weight of 5.5lbs it is far from a difficult trigger. The first 0.3 inches of trigger travel is simply slack, the break point is the other 0.2 inches of travel with a clean crisp break. The trigger is a two stage setup. Unlike sa guns which sport a single stage trigger, a two stage trigger offers a distinct hold point prior to the shot breaking.
I'm willing to bet you've had zero professional training, have no idea how to apply the fundamentals and have limited to zero experience with glocks. I'm almost certain that like most, you slap the trigger with too much finger crammed into the trigger guard, don't work the reset and flinch like a whipped dog. If memory serves I believe you have never competed and either don't own are new to restricted firearms?
A stock glock trigger is unforgiving as in it will not cover up your poor form nor will it instill false confidence like other designs. A sig or beretta for example both have plenty of slack/take up in sa. Their da pull is very heavy and very long. You must learn two trigger pulls as opposed to one. Please enlighten us as to how this is somehow a better system? Sa guns like 1911's often have dangerously light triggers and near zero take up. This does not offer the shooter a positive feel for when the shot breaks. Then again most who champion a 1911 like the fact they can slap the trigger and still see reasonable results.
Master the fundamentals and the rest becomes irrelevant. Those who complain about triggers or proclaim their performance changes between systems are lacking in their fundamentals.
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all H&K's trigger i tried were awfull to me.
way much worst than any glocks any days ; the pre travel is terrible,so long,it just doesn,t make sens.
i have A LOT of fed correctionnal agents coming to me with re-qualifications with their P-2000.
after shooting some of them, i understand why ; a 10 to 12 lbs trigger with such long pre travel is awfull for accuracy.
same goes with the P30 guns. heavy break weight and the pre travel is awfull. on top of that they can't be worked to reduce the weight break . there's a reason you never see or rarely see any H&K in IPSC or USPSA.maybe in IDPA but i have yet to see one.
I shoot the gun with the standard DA/SA...but I "carry" it/use it cocked it locked, so 99% of my shooting is done with it in S/A mode...which I shoot just fine with.
I tried Glock...wasn't a fan...I know a certain someone will tell me I lack skill and fundamentals because *gasp* I don't like a Glock. I disliked the looks, trigger, stock sights, grip angle/size...and the Glock cool-aid drinkers who tell me 100x times how fast they can strip the gun down...if your have to tear it down in a gun fight to clean or fix it, your ####ed already! Any other time the extra .005 seconds it takes me to take down my HK for cleaning (without a trigger pull) I am fine with. So I sold it and spent the money on more .45Auto rounds as I was a happy camper!
I didn't hate the gun, I admire how simple and durable they are. I just didn't like it and couldn't justify keeping it for that reason...and why force it when I already had guns I liked? I prefer SA/DA, always have and I like the looks and style HK pistols have. They are still proven designs.
The reasons why people dislike HK are their price, most people are cheap! and the FALSE thoughts of HKs motto being "because you suck and we hate you" when it comes to civilians. Its not HK, its the German and European governments restrictions as well American Import rules/laws they have to follow which sucks...some of them were put in place by the allies after WWII...why they still cannot export "night sights" and use a pre light charging method for their sights instead. We here in Canada ALSO have to deal with a ####ty importer as well for dealing with HK. Add to that that Military sales are their #1 customer on a 1000:1 rate if not more. So take that all in next time you want to complain about something HK related!!!
I read and hear people saying "I would buy _____ brand gun if they had extra parts or they were easier to get parts so I just shoot Glock instead". Not gonna happen for most guns here in Canada, stores and dealers will not stock extra HK45 parts or other much less common guns as there is likely less then 100 models of said gun in the country (at least right now) and 99% of shooters do not shoot often enough or have a gun long enough to ever need it! So it would be a poor investment on their behave to have them.
Pro tip...if you want extra parts for your pistols (I am curious how many shoot enough to even NEED them!) order them WELL BEFORE you need them, that way your gun is not sitting out of commission for who knows how long when you hunt down pistol replacement parts after the fact. I 2x sets of FULL HK45 parts that I ordered over 2 years ago, took about 3 months to find/get all I what I needed (sourced out of the US and Germany, easy and LEGALLY for a small fee) so whenever I do need them I will have them. You can also sell extra parts if you so choose, more so rare ones, for what you paid for them easily too.
*Rant hat off*
I tried Glock...wasn't a fan...I know a certain someone will tell me I lack skill and fundamentals because *gasp* I don't like a Glock. I disliked the looks, trigger, stock sights, grip angle/size...and the Glock cool-aid drinkers who tell me 100x times how fast they can strip the gun down...if your have to tear it down in a gun fight to clean or fix it, your ####ed already! Any other time the extra .005 seconds it takes me to take down my HK for cleaning (without a trigger pull
) I am fine with. So I sold it and spent the money on more .45Auto rounds as I was a happy camper!I didn't hate the gun, I admire how simple and durable they are. I just didn't like it and couldn't justify keeping it for that reason...and why force it when I already had guns I liked? I prefer SA/DA, always have and I like the looks and style HK pistols have. They are still proven designs.
The reasons why people dislike HK are their price, most people are cheap! and the FALSE thoughts of HKs motto being "because you suck and we hate you" when it comes to civilians. Its not HK, its the German and European governments restrictions as well American Import rules/laws they have to follow which sucks...some of them were put in place by the allies after WWII...why they still cannot export "night sights" and use a pre light charging method for their sights instead. We here in Canada ALSO have to deal with a ####ty importer as well for dealing with HK. Add to that that Military sales are their #1 customer on a 1000:1 rate if not more. So take that all in next time you want to complain about something HK related!!!
I read and hear people saying "I would buy _____ brand gun if they had extra parts or they were easier to get parts so I just shoot Glock instead". Not gonna happen for most guns here in Canada, stores and dealers will not stock extra HK45 parts or other much less common guns as there is likely less then 100 models of said gun in the country (at least right now) and 99% of shooters do not shoot often enough or have a gun long enough to ever need it! So it would be a poor investment on their behave to have them.
Pro tip...if you want extra parts for your pistols (I am curious how many shoot enough to even NEED them!) order them WELL BEFORE you need them, that way your gun is not sitting out of commission for who knows how long when you hunt down pistol replacement parts after the fact. I 2x sets of FULL HK45 parts that I ordered over 2 years ago, took about 3 months to find/get all I what I needed (sourced out of the US and Germany, easy and LEGALLY for a small fee) so whenever I do need them I will have them. You can also sell extra parts if you so choose, more so rare ones, for what you paid for them easily too.
*Rant hat off*
Compared to what other triggers? Comparing a SA/DA trigger to a SAO trigger is pointless. Most HKs have "match" triggers and are far, farrr from bad. Learn to shoot and not ride and focus on the reset!
To quote a special someone...your just inadequate and blaming it on the trigger my friend!
...or can we only say that about Glocks? haha I have never shot LEM so I have no comment on that.
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Anyone remember the days when marksmen just SHOT guns, any and many and did so with skill? No complaining about triggers or poor balance or having to use irons on a rifle?
He must lack fundamentals! Remember kids...if you dislike like Glock, it is YOUR fault and something is wrong with YOU!
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Lol
Note I NEVER said I couldn't hit things with the Glock, I said I didn't LIKE the Glock. It is not the best design to or for ME so I moved on.
Memory serves incorrect...I have owned and shot pistols for years and I do compete for fun a few times a year at open/public events. I am not into the shooting sports seriously, to many fat guys in Spandex "for speed" telling BS war stories about their time in the reserves haha. I just work on improving my own shooting skill set every year and get training down South where I have family living every other year, expensive but I enjoy it and learn a lot.
Most people do not use or shoot their guns in D/A (it is just another OPTION and that is always a good thing)...they carry cocked and locked or manually #### the gun or hammer before use. Unless they are in a "jumped" like attack where they will not even be aiming and it will be at very close range anyways for that ONE shot to be in D/A. D/A gives you second strike abilities for your rounds as well. Many people have used and carried SA/DA guns or revolvers and have for 100s of years, effectively. Train with what you want to use and your fine.
Again I never said I do poorly with my Glock...I have other striker fired pistols, the Ruger SR9 and the Smith M&P9/40 that I shoot well with too, only keep them as they are in other calibers and my g/f likes them, I just said I prefer something else and the trigger was only ONE of the reasons I didn't like it. I shot it well...shooting is only putting holes in paper or cans for me...If I can do the same thing with another gun that I like more to the same effect, why wouldn't I use it? If something else fits or feels better in hand...tech. not REQUIRED for good shooting as long as your hands are of normal size and strength...they why not use it? Do you sit in a crappy chair because its a chair and it IS working and doing the same thing as all other chairs? Or do you go and find one more comfortable and suited towards you? Especially when it is your time and money that is gonna be invested into it. Same idea with the looks of the pistol as well, if I am gonna dump a few $100 - $1000 into something, I want to like it on all levels. Many people buy guys on looks alone!...which become safe queens haha.
So by your understanding...only good shooters own and use Glocks? If they are using anything else the ONLY reason for it is because they suck at fundamentals and cannot "get" the Glock?
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Clobbersauras
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Arguing with TDC that the Glock is not the perfect handgun is like arguing with Morphius that Neo is not the "one".
I agree with a lot of what TDC says, but he doesn't know everything.
When it comes to TDA pistols they are enjoying a very healthy resurgence in popularity from some very checked out people. People who now exactly why TDA's are worth the added time needed to learn the trigger.
I agree with a lot of what TDC says, but he doesn't know everything.
When it comes to TDA pistols they are enjoying a very healthy resurgence in popularity from some very checked out people. People who now exactly why TDA's are worth the added time needed to learn the trigger.
Well. everyone has one's own taste
i don't like the look of the Glock, it look too plain but shoot well.
all i have are DA/SA pistols & i like them. i shot a G23 at the range today, it was very nice shooting but i've never shoot stikerfire so it took sometime to learn.
i've just bought a HK P30L from a CGN body, i did some research on some of the HK forums (HKPro & others) every HK owner is happy with their guns.
i think the P30 will fit my small hands better.
i think i'll start find some spare part sources for it, i also heard it hard to get parts in Canada.
i don't like the look of the Glock, it look too plain but shoot well.
all i have are DA/SA pistols & i like them. i shot a G23 at the range today, it was very nice shooting but i've never shoot stikerfire so it took sometime to learn.
i've just bought a HK P30L from a CGN body, i did some research on some of the HK forums (HKPro & others) every HK owner is happy with their guns.
i think the P30 will fit my small hands better.
i think i'll start find some spare part sources for it, i also heard it hard to get parts in Canada.
Lol....I'm not saying you can't get good results with the stock package with some practice and decent training, I'm just saying you can get better results with slightly modified trigger components. Still OEM parts, but a lighter trigger pull in my view is a precursor to better accuracy.
There is a reason why F class shooters have 1lb triggers.
There is NO reason for lighter triggers my friends... if they are truly F class they should be shooting Mosin Nagant's (I will allow a rebarrel!), stock triggers and all. If they are not using those...they lack fundamentals.
