My " new" Werder Sporting rifle! New Pics!

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So I just received this new toy today, check it out! It is a Bavarian Werder rifle made into a classy sporting rifle. Very Germanic in design, complete with a wiping stick and a sliding wooden patchbox! I haven't figured out what it is chambered in yet, 11mm something or other, cerrosafe is in order. The bore is in excellent shape, no pitting at all, nice strong rifling. It even came with a spare mainspring in the patchbox! Cool, eh!?
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wiping stick i had to laugh as my latest mk IV martini henry the ram rod was so bent in multiple directions it had to have been used for just that i dont think there is a straight part on it

nice gun by the way
 
Beautiful rifle. By the way, if it is 11 mm. you'll be able to use 44 cal. round ball with a thin patch. for bullets, you just might be able to use .429 boollits in pure lead.
 
I have access to plenty of proper-sized .446 cast boolits, so that's what I'll be loading. I may try and load up fireforming blank to see what data I get from case expansion. I did that once with a Werndl rifle, and it helped me figure out what it was chambered for.
 
So, I've now had the gun apart. I have determined that it is chambered in the carbine/pistol round, 11.5 X 35R. The bore is actually in nearly perfect shape, apart from a very small amount of pitting ahead of the chamber area. I have ordered dies from CH4D, and I am going to get my German friend to order some brass from Germany for me. Excited!
 
So here are some pics of inside the beast. Really wild thing about this gun is that you can easily take the internals of the action out of the receiver, which makes cleaning truly easy. By the way, the bore is perfect!
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I spent a lot of time turning the bases of .348 Winchester brass down to get them to fit. In the end, they were the size of .45-70 bases, so I tried those - Bingo! I cut a large chunk off the end of the .45-70 brass, run them into the die, then trim to final length, and they work great. I also designed a custom 330 grain .446 boolit mould from MountainMolds. 40-45 grains of black behind those, and they work beautifully. I need to try some 'bench-resting' now to see what she can do. I would love to whack a Bambi with this thing!
 
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I'm curious, how does the gun headspace? I can't for the life of me figure out how a removable action including bolt fitted to an independent housing stays properly headspaced, unless I misunderstood what I'm looking at.


.... unless the housing is rigid enough that it can be dropped into the receiver and just stay properly headspaced???
 
Good to see you've done your homework on this fine rifle. She will do the job for you for sure.
Get 'er out there and thump a deer, as it's perfectly capable of doing the job as long as you
do yer part.:)
 
7.62x54R brass may be worth trying I used it in my werndle carbine and the dimentions are very close worked much better than 45-70 brass .
 
The 7.62x54r is well undersized in mine. I slowly turned down the base of a .348 case until it fit, and it was about .506" if memory serves. The Russian case is about .487" on the base. Due to the low pressure of the round, you would not likely have any issues with expansion, but your powder capacity would be lessened, which is not good in such a pipsqueak cartridge! I am hoping to try out some XMP 5744 in it, and also 777, as I have had good results with it in my older Werndl rifle.
 
Things are finally progressing! I did some checking and found out that the proper bullet size is not .446" but .458", so I got a Lee 340 grain .457 mould. I tried it out today with both 18 grains of 4198 and 18 grains of 5744. With both loads, I got 2 MOA performance at 50 and 100 yards! I am seriously stoked! I see no reason why deer should be safe now!
 
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