Ebr or blackfeather rs?

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Which stock for the m305 is better?
Fitment
Styling
Accuracy?
Which stock feels the best to hold?
The blackfeather is canadian but I like the look of the EBR.
Throw me a bone here.
I plan on buying a m305 or socom. But they need an upgrade.
 
I can't say anything on the BlackFeather. But I do own an EBR. It requires work to have an M305 fit properly in the stock. It was such a bad fit, that it actually bent my trigger guard because the receiver sat way higher than with the original stock. As well, the EBR chassis was machined exactly the same on both sides, inside the chassis. Which sucks because the retaining pin holding the recoil spring in place, walks out on its own. So you go to release the magazine and your spring flies into the magazine well and its a ##### to get it back in place without taking the whole gun apart. That's the other drawback with the chassis. When you want to take it apart, you have to take the whole rifle apart, because the OpRod guide bolts to the chassis, so its not just simply pulling the trigger and removing the receiver. And lastly, its heavy as hell. Makes it a ##### to try shoot off hand. As well, if you're going to mount a scope to it, go with an A.R.M.S. #18 style scope mount. This way when you do have to take the rifle apart, at least the scope is staying on the receiver. With other styles of mounts, half the mount attaches to the forearm of the stock. SO if you want to do anything to it, you have to remove the scope first. Overall though, its a beautiful looking stock. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to give up for looks. I'm personally changing my stock. I'm going with a BlackFeather Stock with Magpul PRS buttstock. I had to machine out quite a bit from my EBR Stock for the rifle to fit properly in it. I figured out what was wrong with it when I did a function check. The trigger wouldn't lock back when the action was cycled. So I had to machine out some parts on the top of the chassis and some in the trigger area. If you want pics of what I mean I can send you some. Final decision will be entirely up to you.
 
FallenShadow80 said:
I can't say anything on the BlackFeather. But I do own an EBR. It requires work to have an M305 fit properly in the stock. It was such a bad fit, that it actually bent my trigger guard because the receiver sat way higher than with the original stock. As well, the EBR chassis was machined exactly the same on both sides, inside the chassis. Which sucks because the retaining pin holding the recoil spring in place, walks out on its own. So you go to release the magazine and your spring flies into the magazine well and its a ##### to get it back in place without taking the whole gun apart. That's the other drawback with the chassis. When you want to take it apart, you have to take the whole rifle apart, because the OpRod guide bolts to the chassis, so its not just simply pulling the trigger and removing the receiver. And lastly, its heavy as hell. Makes it a ##### to try shoot off hand. As well, if you're going to mount a scope to it, go with an A.R.M.S. #18 style scope mount. This way when you do have to take the rifle apart, at least the scope is staying on the receiver. With other styles of mounts, half the mount attaches to the forearm of the stock. SO if you want to do anything to it, you have to remove the scope first. Overall though, its a beautiful looking stock. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to give up for looks. I'm personally changing my stock. I'm going with a BlackFeather Stock with Magpul PRS buttstock. I had to machine out quite a bit from my EBR Stock for the rifle to fit properly in it. I figured out what was wrong with it when I did a function check. The trigger wouldn't lock back when the action was cycled. So I had to machine out some parts on the top of the chassis and some in the trigger area. If you want pics of what I mean I can send you some. Final decision will be entirely up to you.
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Dear FallenShadow80,

Once you have your Blackfeather RS you will rue the day you ever bothered with EBR and your choice of the PRS Butt stock is the only one as far as I am concerned. This Finely engineered rifle stock and all their products are the finest available in the world for the M305 format in fact Frank at M14.ca recommends the M305 for use with this stock over any other M1A version with modificaions of course. The bonus is we get to support fellow Canadians, we should have done just that with the Avro Arrow!
 
My experience is with the Blackfeather and I have no exposure to the EBR. I think both stocks look great. The Blackfeather is very light given how strongly built it is. The choice of the butt-stock will substantially influence the weight of the final build. The PRS for example is a nice butt-stock but is heavy.

Installation of the Blackfeather is comparatively easy to perform. The hardest part (other than removing the Norc flashhider) is installing the new Op. Rod. Guide (ORG) and ensuring that this is perfectly aligned. Start to finish the install took me about an hour. I have heard about two other Blackfeather installations where the experience was similar to mine. Once the ORG is installed and the receiver parts are re-assembled, the rifle drops right into the stock. The tolerances are incredibly tight while still allowing easy assembly.

It's hard to say how much the stock adds to accuracy because it depends what you start with, (i.e. what else you have done to the rifle) and what ammo you use. It is much better than the synthetic stock that comes with the M305, and adds stiffness and the ability to adjust barrel tension. The latter can also be adjusted without having to re-bed the rifle. You might be able to replicate the performance of the BF with a properly bedded USGI but I'd guess you would end up heavier and would not have barrel tension adjustability. Remember that without decent ammo and a tightened action, you may be hard pressed to see any improvement from the stock swap.

Overall I'm very happy with my BF and hate how Frank keeps tempting me with more of his M14 goodies. I've been averaging 1.7 MOA over the last 500 rounds and I think this is in part due to the Blackfeather. I've put over 2,000 rounds through my Norc in the BF and it is still as tight as when I first installed it.

Good luck with your choice.
 
I've been using the SAGE chassis for 10 years. After trying every configuration, plus a few custom set-ups I installed a SAGE PRS2 butt stock interface on a 2005 6-screw chassis, and it is personal perfection. I have all of the adjustment needed for optics, and I can use the original iron sights with ease. The Blackfeather "RS" is an awesome chassis, it's lighter than any SAGE chassis, and Frank has all sorts of accessories in production & slated for future production. The "RS" is made for the standard weight barrel and the short Chicom connector lock pin. I did not find it iron sight friendly, but that is OK, because Frank has a new full length top rail that will accept BUIS.

You will probably end up with one of each, and if I lived in Canada, I would go with the "RS" first and think about the SAGE for later.

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H2O MAN said:
I've been using the SAGE chassis for 10 years. After trying every configuration, plus a few custom set-ups I installed a SAGE PRS2 butt stock interface on a 2005 6-screw chassis, and it is personal perfection. I have all of the adjustment needed for optics, and I can use the original iron sights with ease. The Blackfeather "RS" is an awesome chassis, it's lighter than any SAGE chassis, and Frank has all sorts of accessories in production & slated for future production. The "RS" is made for the standard weight barrel and the short Chicom connector lock pin. I did not find it iron sight friendly, but that is OK, because Frank has a new full length top rail that will accept BUIS.

You will probably end up with one of each, and if I lived in Canada, I would go with the "RS" first and think about the SAGE for later.

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Nice collection! I installed a blackfeather for a friend of mine on a Springfield M1A with an upgraded barrel, the only thing I had to do was modify the op rod guide by beveling the guide slightly to match the taper on the barrel to allow it to fit further back, the heavier barrel tapers off almost right at the op rod guide location so the wider blackfeather guide didnt slide on far enough without modification. Just wanted to let people know that is an option as no other mods were required and damn thing sure shoots nice with the heavier barrel!
Rodney
 
I had that debate before. I ended up with Sage, just personal preference as I like the stock that gives option to slide in or out. It seems heavier, go to the gym and lift some weights :). It actually depends on what you are actually planning to use rifle for. Blackfeather RS is lighter, but Sage EBR is battle proven chassis. I have other product from M14.ca and those are beyond great quality.
EBR installation was easy, plus it requires shimming, not sure about Blackfeather though. Most hardest part was to remove welded muzzlebreak on M305 and align op rod guide.
 
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Love my Sage EBR..............Blackfeather could be next..............Both are great-get what you want and you will never second guess your choice.
 
H2O MAN said:
I've been using the SAGE chassis for 10 years. After trying every configuration, plus a few custom set-ups I installed a SAGE PRS2 butt stock interface on a 2005 6-screw chassis, and it is personal perfection. I have all of the adjustment needed for optics, and I can use the original iron sights with ease. The Blackfeather "RS" is an awesome chassis, it's lighter than any SAGE chassis, and Frank has all sorts of accessories in production & slated for future production. The "RS" is made for the standard weight barrel and the short Chicom connector lock pin. I did not find it iron sight friendly, but that is OK, because Frank has a new full length top rail that will accept BUIS.


You will probably end up with one of each, and if I lived in Canada, I would go with the "RS" first and think about the SAGE for later.

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Nice! Which gas block sight is on your Blackfeather?
 
I had an EBR chassis - it required work to get the M305 trigger group to sit properly, and I wasn't prepared to do that work, so I sold it. It was heavy, and all in all, not worth the effort to fix the problems. Maybe for a genuine M1A or M14, but for the M305 you're going to have to do some dremeling on that stock to make sure the trigger group gets close enough to the receiver. If you don't, you'll get slam-fires.
 


I own both and can't really tell you which is better. For fitment the Blackfeather does seem to have a better fit than the Sage with the M305 the receiver sits almost flush with the Blackfeather stock while the Sage does have a little gap. My Sage was pretty much a drop in (exluding changing the connector pin) and had none of the trigger group fitment issues that were listed above by some others.

As for styling well that is really personal preference. I prefer the looks of the Sage over the Blackfeather, however, I do like the styling of both of them.

Can't really comment on the accuracy improvements on the Blackfeather because the M305 that I put in the Blackfeather couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and I haven't invested the time yet to really find the problem with it. It is still having accuracy issues in the Blackfeather but I don't believe that to be of any fault of the stock. The M305 that was put in the Sage was a lot more accurate and does seem to be a little more consistent now that it is in the Sage.
 
Dreadshade said:


I own both and can't really tell you which is better. For fitment the Blackfeather does seem to have a better fit than the Sage with the M305 the receiver sits almost flush with the Blackfeather stock while the Sage does have a little gap. My Sage was pretty much a drop in (exluding changing the connector pin) and had none of the trigger group fitment issues that were listed above by some others.

As for styling well that is really personal preference. I prefer the looks of the Sage over the Blackfeather, however, I do like the styling of both of them.

Can't really comment on the accuracy improvements on the Blackfeather because the M305 that I put in the Blackfeather couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and I haven't invested the time yet to really find the problem with it. It is still having accuracy issues in the Blackfeather but I don't believe that to be of any fault of the stock. The M305 that was put in the Sage was a lot more accurate and does seem to be a little more consistent now that it is in the Sage.
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I don't know if it matters which is better when you can have both!! Nice set!

Rodney
 
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Then aiming the Sage chassis offhand at longer ranges is going to be tough (but not impossible). Don't let that stop you though, I'm a skinny bastard and I can still hit 200 yards with it about as well as I can with anything else, I just can't do so for long continuous periods. It sure is pretty though.
 
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