Two noob questions, one transport and one home defense

Restricted



Storage

◾Must be unloaded.
◾Must be secured by a locking device (e.g. trigger lock) so that it cannot be fired and must be locked into a room or container that is hard to break into; or must be locked in a safe/vault (if locked in a safe, there is no need for a secure locking device).
◾Vehicle storage: Locked container with firearm must be locked in the trunk area or other similar compartment. If vehicle does not have such a compartment, the container must be put out of sight and the vehicle locked securely


a "safe" has its definitions too. I have a Canadian Tire tin "locker". it wouldn't classify as a safe. I have a friend with a certified "vault" in his house. He can store his restricted inside unlocked.
 
I've has people tell me that in those situations you should put the first shot between his eyes and the next into the floor. Tell the police you fired a warning shot. Neighbours wont know the difference.

I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where I would allow an invader to get close enough to me for a clean head shot. Or that I'll be able to keep calm enough to pull off a shot like that. Aim for the easiest part to hit. If he/she is still alive.......sweep the house a few dozen times to make sure your family is safe and there is no one left in the house that may what to harm you, before calling 911.
 
Actually, OP, if you don't mind, i have something i am rather 'unclear about' to ask your audience of..It's about home storage laws.

Hypothetically speaking, if you have a small, keypad steel safe in your bedroom, can one keep a handgun in it? and along with the handgun, a loaded mag sitting separate from the gun, but in the same safe?

I've asked people, but could never get a clear, definitive answer...

This is how I keep my pistol, in a keypad safe (bolted to my rifle safe). My pistol is stored without a magazine in it however I have 4 magazines all of which are full as well as a few hundred rounds of ammo in boxes. The pistol is not trigger locked. This is perfectly legal so long as the magazines are not in the pistol itself
 
And this is where i get with most of the people I ask this question of..It becomes sort of a Grey area..

I know of someone who is a line walker and a zombie apocalypse type that has a soft case with a divider in it. He keeps an empty semi on one side and a loaded mag on the other (separate storage) . held closed with a small tie wrap (locking device). One quick pull to break the tie wrap, reach in with a practiced hand and grab both the semi and the mag, load and chamber, timed himself under 3 seconds.
 
a "safe" has its definitions too. I have a Canadian Tire tin "locker". it wouldn't classify as a safe. I have a friend with a certified "vault" in his house. He can store his restricted inside unlocked.

He is asking about a small Keypad, steel SAFE. He's not asking about a Tin CTC container.
 
I know of someone who is a line walker and a zombie apocalypse type that has a soft case with a divider in it. He keeps an empty semi on one side and a loaded mag on the other (separate storage) . held closed with a small tie wrap (locking device). One quick pull to break the tie wrap, reach in with a practiced hand and grab both the semi and the mag, load and chamber, timed himself under 3 seconds.

No divider needed. You can store loaded mags in the Safe beside, but not in the Firearm.
 
I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where I would allow an invader to get close enough to me for a clean head shot. Or that I'll be able to keep calm enough to pull off a shot like that. Aim for the easiest part to hit. If he/she is still alive.......sweep the house a few dozen times to make sure your family is safe and there is no one left in the house that may what to harm you, before calling 911.

good point
 
what about transport. cant have a loaded mag in the case then right?

Transporting is different from storage. Notice there is no wording about ammo this time. Need a lock I believe



TRANSPORTATION OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS

11. An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;


(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;


(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and


(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,

(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and


(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
 
So that means i can store my S&W MP9 in the case with an empty mag in the gun but the two other mags full of ammo in their holster, trigger lock on (which means i have to carry my bladetech separately) and lock the case, with the ammo box sitting beside it (covered with a blanket in my truck/Covered with a blanket in my closet at home) [For both storage AND transport], correct?
 
Remember when you had to go get the gun FROM the store? That's how it should be when you take it to the range

#2 If your gun is in a locked box/case, trigger locked and if you can take those all off load it and you can prove it, if your life or your loved one's lives were threatened by an armed intruder(whatever is being used as a weapon) and you shot him, killed or injured i guess you would have a defendable case in court.

Edit: Cops shoot to kill when faced with a 4 inch blade or even a hammer, i don't see why you would be prosecuted more than they are, after all there's only one justice right?
 
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Transport rules for #1. How you get there doesn't matter and neither does stopping for gas. There's nothing in the law that says anything about not stopping or the shortest most direct route. Nothing in CPFO policies either.
Your firearms are required to be locked up when not in use. If you become the victim of a crime, you very likely will not have the time nor opportunity to open a storage container, load a handgun and end whatever is going on with said hand gun. Use a firearm for self-defence, under any circumstances, and you will be charged.
Cavs42, you need to read the Charter. There is no self-defence guarantee in the Charter of Rights. And a justification is not a right. A justification is your defence in court.
 
Transport rules for #1. How you get there doesn't matter and neither does stopping for gas. There's nothing in the law that says anything about not stopping or the shortest most direct route. Nothing in CPFO policies either.
Your firearms are required to be locked up when not in use. If you become the victim of a crime, you very likely will not have the time nor opportunity to open a storage container, load a handgun and end whatever is going on with said hand gun. Use a firearm for self-defence, under any circumstances, and you will be charged.
Cavs42, you need to read the Charter. There is no self-defence guarantee in the Charter of Rights. And a justification is not a right. A justification is your defence in court.

Here is how the Law reads


Legislation[edit]

Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.
Self-defence in case of aggression
35. Every one who has without justification assaulted another but did not commence the assault with intent to cause death or grievous bodily harm, or has without justification provoked an assault on himself by another, may justify the use of force subsequent to the assault if

(a) he uses the force
(i) under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence of the person whom he has assaulted or provoked, and
(ii) in the belief, on reasonable grounds, that it is necessary in order to preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm;
(b) he did not, at any time before the necessity of preserving himself from death or grievous bodily harm arose, endeavour to cause death or grievous bodily harm; and
(c) he declined further conflict and quitted or retreated from it as far as it was feasible to do so before the necessity of preserving himself from death or grievous bodily harm arose.
Provocation
36. Provocation includes, for the purposes of sections 34 and 35, provocation by blows, words or gestures.
Preventing assault
37. (1) Every one is justified in using force to defend himself or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses no more force than is necessary to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.
Extent of justification
(2) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to justify the wilful infliction of any hurt or mischief that is excessive, having regard to the nature of the assault that the force used was intended to prevent.



– CCC
 
That is not correct you don't need to go straight from A to B, it is perfectly reasonable to stop on the way and buy gas or get a coffee on the way to the range. Please check your facts before giving advice to newbies.



1) once I get my transport papers to a club, can I just throw my handgun in my backpack(in a locked case and trigger locked) and ride my motorcycle there? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes from what I've read on that rcmp flyer I got at the course. I just dont know if I stopped for gas and walked into the gas station to pay, could I be charged with concealed carry or something stupid like that.
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When transporting a restricted firearm you must go straight from point A-B via the shortest most direct route and no stops are allowed in between. That's my understanding, so going in for gas and by chance you drop your bag and the case comes out at the foot of a officer..........you are on the hook. Best fill up before heading out.
 
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You don't need a trigger lock if its inside a "Safe"
What is a safe and what is a locked box is another discussion.




This is an absolutely, 100% sure 'yes you can'? The gun doesn't need a trigger lock or anything? just loose in the safe, but not loaded, but a loaded mag in there for company?
 
That is not correct you don't need to go straight from A to B, it is perfectly reasonable to stop on the way and buy gas or get a coffee on the way to the range. Please check your facts before giving advise to newbies.



My apologies there Sharked, the advise was on the side of caution as described by my instructor a former polic officer. His reason is many cops are trained quickly and have many laws to remember and they too can be confused. So..... Play it safe, rather than run into any chance of an issue. Again as described by a former Cop. So it is up to the individual to make whatever stops they feel is reasonable, but again that is open to interpretation. Forums are for sharing knowledge, either basic or in depth. Thanks to all who have contributed to the OP's post. Cheers
 
I was told by the Firearms center I was allowed to stop off at a friend place and have dinner on the way back from the range as long as it was along route I take to the range and I brought the firearms with me into the house and they were securely stored.
I love this.. everyone is told something different.
 
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