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Hey CGN,

There is a JustRightCarbine in 9mm in my town right now. I'm really tempted to get it if it's possible to get extended magazines for it. I don't have my restricted license so I'm not sure of the laws specifically to pistols. Is it legal to use an unpinned 30+ round glock magazine and are they available in Canada?

Also curious on opinions and experiences on Pistol Carbines, Keltec makes one as well and I'd like to know what caliber is more popular and why.
 
wh33t said:
Hey CGN,

There is a JustRightCarbine in 9mm in my town right now. I'm really tempted to get it if it's possible to get extended magazines for it. I don't have my restricted license so I'm not sure of the laws specifically to pistols. Is it legal to use an unpinned 30+ round glock magazine and are they available in Canada?

Also curious on opinions and experiences on Pistol Carbines, Keltec makes one as well and I'd like to know what caliber is more popular and why.
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you can use 10 round or mags pinned to 10 rounds, i suggest picking a carbine in the same caliber and mag as your most likely future pistol
 
wh33t said:
Soooo, does that mean 10+ round pistol mags can't be found or possessed legally in Canada?
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They can be obtained, but they must be limited to a maximum capacity of 10 of whatever cartridge. You just end up with a bunch of useless space in the magazine, and the potential for serious legal complications if the rivet or pin breaks as suddenly you are now in possession of a prohibited device.

Magazines for pistols, regardless of what they are used in, have a maximum of 5. Magazines for semiauto centerfire rifles and shotguns have a cap of 5.
 
I get it. So the pistol carbine is some kind of loop hole to have a rifle-esq firearm with more than 5 centerfire rounds in it. Kind of off topic now but is a pistol classified as a firearm which takes removable mags in the hand grip?
 
wh33t said:
I get it. So the pistol carbine is some kind of loop hole to have a rifle-esq firearm with more than 5 centerfire rounds in it. Kind of off topic now but is a pistol classified as a firearm which takes removable mags in the hand grip?
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Mags always go in the receiver. Firearms classed as restricted include some pistols. Pistols are pistols. Pistol carbines are carbines chambered in pistol ammo. The kel-tec PLR-16 is also a pistol, and mag doesnt go in grip.
 
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wh33t said:
Soooo, does that mean 10+ round pistol mags can't be found or possessed legally in Canada?
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That is correct, no pistol magazines can have more than 10 rounds.

You can try to play around with a 40 cal magazine to make it fir a few more rounds of 9mm, but likely you'll have ftf problems.
 
wh33t said:
I get it. So the pistol carbine is some kind of loop hole to have a rifle-esq firearm with more than 5 centerfire rounds in it. Kind of off topic now but is a pistol classified as a firearm which takes removable mags in the hand grip?
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No its not a loophole, it use a PISTOL magazine! Pistol mags are limited to 10 rounds.
If it was using a rifle magazine, that magazine would have a capacity of 5 rounds.

Rifle cartridges and pistol cartridges, although both being centerfire, are very very different in velocity and weigth.
 
mikethebike said:
No its not a loophole, it use a PISTOL magazine! Pistol mags are limited to 10 rounds. Im not sure why you don't know this already as this was covered in your rpal course/exam.
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Never took rpal. Yes, it uses a pistol mag, but its a rifle that shoots centerfire and can have more than 10 rounds. Thats why it seems loopholey to me. Not that it bothers me at all though. Just curious.

Edit: sorry, meant to say more than 5 rounds
 
wh33t said:
Never took rpal. Yes, it uses a pistol mag, but its a rifle that shoots centerfire and can have more than 10 rounds. Thats why it seems loopholey to me. Not that it bothers me at all though. Just curious.

Edit: sorry, meant to say more than 5 rounds
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It's not a loop hole. All magazine legalities are determined by two factors 1) The firearm the magazine was designed to work in and 2) the cartridge that magazine was designed to hold.

Generally:

A magazine designed to work in a Manual-action (pump, bolt, lever etc) long-arm or any rimfire long-gun have no capacity limits.
A magazine designed to work in a Semi-automatic centerfire long-gun cannot exceed a capacity of five cartridges of the cartridge the magazine was designed to hold.
A magazine designed to work in a Semi-automatic pistol cannot exceed a capacity of ten cartridges of the cartridge the magazine was designed to hold.

There are specific exceptions to all these rules. The M1 Garand is the most prolific exception to the rules, however much rarer and more specialized exceptions are also written into the law.

You can stuff as many rounds of any ammunition into any magazine or any firearm you please, provided that the magazine complies with the capacity based on both the firearm it was designed to be used in an the cartridge it was designed to hold.

This means that you an use pistol magazines in a semi-auto rifle, or manual-action magazines in a semi-automatic rifle. This also means you can legally stuff 13-15 rounds of 9mm into a .40 S&W Pistol magazine, or 15-17 (?) rounds of .223/5.56 into a 5rd. .50 Beowulf magazine. Any of these magazine can be used in any compatible pistol or semi-automatic rifle without issue.
 
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Blastattack said:
It's not a loop hole. All magazine legalities are determined by two factors 1) The firearm the magazine was designed to work in and 2) the cartridge that magazine was designed to hold.

Generally:

A magazine designed to work in a Manual-action (pump, bolt, lever etc) long-arm or any rimfire long-gun have no capacity limits.
A magazine designed to work in a Semi-automatic long-gun cannot exceed a capacity of five cartridges of the cartridge the magazine was designed to hold.
A magazine designed to work in a Semi-automatic pistol cannot exceed a capacity of ten cartridges of the cartridge the magazine was designed to hold.

There are specific exceptions to all these rules. The M1 Garand is the most prolific exception to the rules, however much rarer and more specialized exceptions are also written into the law.

You can stuff as many rounds of any ammunition into any magazine or any firearm you please, provided that the magazine complies with the capacity based on both the firearm it was designed to be used in an the cartridge it was designed to hold.

This means that you an use pistol magazines in a semi-auto rifle, or manual-action magazines in a semi-automatic rifle. This also means you can legally stuff 13-15 rounds of 9mm into a .40 S&W Pistol magazine, or 15-17 (?) rounds of .223/5.56 into a 5rd. .50 Beowulf magazine. Any of these magazine can be used in any compatible pistol or semi-automatic rifle without issue.
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Wow, thanks for that very thorough explanation. Very good.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
They can be obtained, but they must be limited to a maximum capacity of 10 of whatever cartridge. You just end up with a bunch of useless space in the magazine, and the potential for serious legal complications if the rivet or pin breaks as suddenly you are now in possession of a prohibited device.

Magazines for pistols, regardless of what they are used in, have a maximum of 5. Magazines for semiauto centerfire rifles and shotguns have a cap of 5.
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WTF are you talking about?
The useless space makes it easier to fill the mag to 10 rounds because the spring isn't at full compression like it is in a factory 10 round. There is no potential for serious legal complications. A rivet is not going to break and if it does just replace it. You are suddenly in possession of a broken magazine not a prohibited device. Just remove the baseplate and now you have parts until you replace the rivet. The SWAT team won't jump out of helicopters and arrest you as soon as a rivet fails, just don't load it to it's regular capacity and play with it until you've neutered it again.

Read over your post, your last line says that pistols are limited to 5 regardless of what they are used in? Sorry but that should say 10. Your just going to confuse an already confused wh33t with your misinformation.

wh33t, pistol mag=10 rounds no matter what firearm it works in, centerfire rifle magazine=5 rounds. Keep in mind that local hunting regulations will override the legal magazine capacity limits if you are hunting under license so if you take your new carbine out to shoot a deer you will have to block your magazine to 5 rounds if that's what the hunting regulations say is the capacity limit.
 
wh33t said:
Does that mean they are trying to make semi-auto centerfire rifles have no magazine capacity restriction?
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You don't need an RPAL for a NR pistol carbine rifle, which takes pistol magazines. Just get 10rd Glock mags and you are golden. JRC and TDC are a blast to shoot.
 
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