FS2000 or Tavor?
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canucklehead
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FS2000 for the win... WAAAY better for a leftie like me. All the cool kids run Non-restricted FS2000s.... Herron Arms did mine and it's fantastic.
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I'd to for the Tavor. (^^Obviously^^). The FS2000 is pretty dam cool, I've never even held one, so a cant say much about it other than I think it's a neat rifle. But a few things I think the Tavor has over the FN is that it has a bolt hold open, and it will work with a larger variety of mags.
If I was looking for a SHTF/fighting rifle/home defence rifle, the Tavor IMO would be a better choice. If I was a collector of exotic firearms, or just wanted something really cool I'd get the FN.... But probably both.
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I'd to for the Tavor. (^^Obviously^^). The FS2000 is pretty dam cool, I've never even held one, so a cant say much about it other than I think it's a neat rifle. But a few things I think the Tavor has over the FN is that it has a bolt hold open, and it will work with a larger variety of mags.
If I was looking for a SHTF/fighting rifle/home defence rifle, the Tavor IMO would be a better choice. If I was a collector of exotic firearms, or just wanted something really cool I'd get the FN.... But probably both.
Still a hard decision but I am still thinking of going with the FS2000. I have owned a Tavor before so would like to try another Bullpup, plus I'd like to scoop one up since they are discontinued. Who know's though haha, maybe my mind will change when it comes time to buy!
The F2000 does not seem to have a bright future for long term production. The Belgium military is going to adopt SCAR L in 2015. They have some F2000s for their grenadiers for the purpose of mounting 40 GL right now, but the general issue rifle is the FNC. The FNC is going to be replaced by SCAR L.
I am not sure FN will keep production runs if they only deliver 2 or 3 thousand units to the US a year. I doubt it makes financial sense to continue F2000. It makes sense to push SCAR as the flag ship product in the military rifle market.
Years down the road, we will remember F2000 as a collector item with an interesting design and history, but a military sale failure and at best a niche item that does not hit it big in the commercial market either.
I am not sure FN will keep production runs if they only deliver 2 or 3 thousand units to the US a year. I doubt it makes financial sense to continue F2000. It makes sense to push SCAR as the flag ship product in the military rifle market.
Years down the road, we will remember F2000 as a collector item with an interesting design and history, but a military sale failure and at best a niche item that does not hit it big in the commercial market either.
I'm sorry but Tavors are not 3 moa.
I did a whole experiment on that with a whole bunch of different ammo. VMAX ammo will group 5 shots at 1.7 inch at 100 yards (1.7moa) consistently. With the timney trigger that'll become 1.5moa
Yah if you shoot stupid cheap norinco ammo with a stupid cheap scope your mileage will vary.
I did a whole experiment on that with a whole bunch of different ammo. VMAX ammo will group 5 shots at 1.7 inch at 100 yards (1.7moa) consistently. With the timney trigger that'll become 1.5moa
Yah if you shoot stupid cheap norinco ammo with a stupid cheap scope your mileage will vary.
look how tall that magwell is - the LAR-15 mags will have trouble coming out, especially since it's not drop free. .223 rifles are ideal competition rifles, and therefore the F2000 is going to be a lesser choice compared with a Tavor. Plus PMAGs don't work on FS2000. The whole point of having tactical rifles is being able to re-use your sh!t, so this FS2000 being so fussy is kinda pointless to me. If and when C63 gets repealed, I will celebrate by buying an AR15 for a third of the price of a FS2000.
i agree with your other points, but when I had my FS2000 I used LAR mags with C-Products floorplates to permit easier extraction. Still not as fast as a drop-free mag of course, but still usable.
FS2000s have their quirks for sure, but they do, for me at least, have a draw that other black rifles don't.
Agreed. With amount of R&D money they put into it though, you'd think they would keep it in production as a sporting rifle. I think if they looked at modulating the chassis with a revised chamber port, magwell and furniture, they would have a winner.
Having owned both, the FS2000 is a superior platform when compared to the Tavor - but both do not offer significant advantage to a fighting soldier over conventional layouts in some aspects, and fail miserably in others.
I think the problem is were comparing a bullpup to an AR carbine, we have to stop doing that. Both have their very precise uses.
I own a Tavor and I also own a very high end AR(highest end probably), and i love them both. My Tavor is much more reliable whereas my AR is much more precise. My AR shoots fast, its super light (carbon fiber) and it is sub moa, my Tavor shoots all the time and never causes me to swear at it.
I own a Tavor and I also own a very high end AR(highest end probably), and i love them both. My Tavor is much more reliable whereas my AR is much more precise. My AR shoots fast, its super light (carbon fiber) and it is sub moa, my Tavor shoots all the time and never causes me to swear at it.
canucklehead
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+100... In the field I run 10 round LAR's with the C-products floorplates (as per Master-G.. actually think I first saw that on his FS) and it's sweet. Not drop free, but I'm not competing in my shooting anyway. Or you can used end-to-end coupled LAR mags.
No PMAGS or any other polymers - that is true. But until recently there were no polymer 10 rounders anyway.
This is largely a nonsensical argument. They are both service rifles - their use and employment is quite robust by design. To the majority here that can be as a fun range toy, a tool used in competition or one used for hunting or varmint control. Why not compare them? They are both rifles being used for (in most cases) the same thing. The fact you have set up an AR as a precision platform just speaks to the greater versatility of that system. Throw the XCR, Swiss Arms, FG-542, MR-1, SL-8, et al in there for comparison for that matter...
I think the last time I had a stoppage in an AR it was a faulty hand loaded round....
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What are the best groups anyone has seen with the Tavor? I'm curious to know as I may throw a 4-18x scope on mine.
Like I said, I have proven consistent 5 shot groups on 1.7 moa with VMAX ammo.
Like I said, I have proven consistent 5 shot groups on 1.7 moa with VMAX ammo.
