Very nice Finnish Mosin Nagant found at gun show this last weekend, what is it?

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Found this super nice shape Finnish Mosin Nagant at a gunshow this weekend and as I'm not that familar in Mosin's I was wondering if any of you experts out their can tell me about it. I think it is straight out of arsenal storage as it was filled with a very old and thick grease and the stock is in great shape with no wear same with the butt plate finish, also the bore is like new once I went through about 10 patches to clean the grease out.

Guy selling it had two exactly the same and another guy bought the 2nd one. The seller said they have been in a collection for many years.

Bolt is forced matched to the serial number on barrel and the trigger is the best I have felt on any Mosin, very short and light single stage let off. This rifle should be a excellent shooter. So judging by the pictures below, what is it? Also got a sling at the same time that needs ID'ing.

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Start here: http://7.62x54r.net/

One of the pictures suggests shows "P-26" and "S". These marks are found on P-series relined barrels. "S" stands for Salerno where the process was developed.

These are quite rare; very rare if it happens to be Dragoon length (48 3/4 inches).

Here's a video on a similar rifle out of the States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqqdapQvY4

It's pretty common for Finn Mosins to be a mixmaster of parts, but they usually shoot great.

A very nice find on your part!!!!!
 
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My one is 51.5 inches. So these rifles are not so common then? and do they have collector appeal? should I shoot it as it appears unfired?
 
As Phat Eagle has correctly pointed out, it is a Finnish P-series 1891. More info can be found here http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMPseries.htm

These are a fairly uncommon rifle, especially up here. That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it, pending proper cleaning procedures and precautions are taken. I bet it will be very, very accurate given both the condition and quality of the barrel. Nice score!
 
So it is the full length, which is still quite rare. According to the website I linked it is a 8/10 for rarity. Mosins are becoming increasingly collectible, though they still aren't pulling in HUGE money. Part of the appeal is that they are affordable collectibles.

As for shooting, that depends... Most of the "increased" collectibility of an "unfired" gun comes if it is truly unfired and unissued (like you see with the Polish M44s and the rare late-production SKS or TT33 pistols). It may be worth a little more if you don't shoot it, but it is a refurb.

BTW: you would probably get a LOT more action on this thread if it was in the Red Rifle section. Maybe repost it there?
 
Phat Eagle said:
So it is the full length, which is still quite rare. According to the website I linked it is a 8/10 for rarity. Mosins are becoming increasingly collectible, though they still aren't pulling in HUGE money. Part of the appeal is that they are affordable collectibles.

As for shooting, that depends... Most of the "increased" collectibility of an "unfired" gun comes if it is truly unfired and unissued (like you see with the Polish M44s and the rare late-production SKS or TT33 pistols). It may be worth a little more if you don't shoot it, but it is a refurb.

BTW: you would probably get a LOT more action on this thread if it was in the Red Rifle section. Maybe repost it there?
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Thanks for the info, I will post on the red rifles section as well.
 
Phat Eagle said:
BTW: you would probably get a LOT more action on this thread if it was in the Red Rifle section. Maybe repost it there?
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To be fair, it is not a red rifle in any respect. Aside from the possibility of a couple of Soviet parts within the rifle, it is Finish. Some would say the Finns worked quite hard during the 1930s and 1940's to keep things that way.
 
Cdn303 said:
I'd say keep the milsurp ammo away from it. Get a few boxes of Prvi ammo, save the brass, and when you have a good supply start reloading.
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^^Yes, this! Keep that corrosive crap away from such a nice rifle. Instant ruination of the barrel.

Cough up for the good, modern ammo and reload.
 
I have the brother and sister of your rifle. I bought both of them in the 80's for I think $55.00 each and I have fed them a steady diet of Com-bloc surplus for the last 30 years. Shoot, clean , and repeat . Enjoy and have fun, mine are accurate and I enjoy shooting them at matches as much as my Ross and Lee Enfields Clean your rifle and forget about the corrosive Boogieman. What did every military do for the last hundred years before the internet? Boiling water and a funnel that's what.
 
cantom said:
I had an SVT 40 with lovely shiny bore...took it to the range, shot like 20 rounds. Took it home and cleaned it immediately with every trick in my book including boiling water.

Bore turned dark.
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How do you explain the lovely shiny bore before you shot it? Was this a unfired rifle that never saw service? SVT-40's for the most part saw extensive action. How is it possible that it survived with such a lovely bore under battle field conditions, yet darkened after 20 rounds and a good cleaning with every trick in your book?
 
Nice old rifle. Some of those refurb Finn rifles could tell a great story. They do, in a way, with all the different manufacturers' parts and neat stampings. Study up on the Finn rifles on the sites given above. Wonderful history right at our finger tips.

It seems that some rifles will react badly to corrosive ammo. Badly in the sense that the barrels may turn a bit dark. Shooting a rifle like this is not harmful if reasonable cleaning takes place. I use FLUID FILM as the last swab. Have done that for the last 20 years, and haven't had any rust problems.
 
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mr.e moose said:
How do you explain the lovely shiny bore before you shot it? Was this a unfired rifle that never saw service? SVT-40's for the most part saw extensive action. How is it possible that it survived with such a lovely bore under battle field conditions, yet darkened after 20 rounds and a good cleaning with every trick in your book?
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The dark bore was likely caused by the crappy Ontario drinking water. Too much chlorine.
 
Thanks everybody for you help, I also measured the bore diameter and it comes out at .308 exactly, way tighter than any of my Enfields or other Mosin's, will this be much of a problem when shooting .311 ammo? Maybe I will just reload for this one with .30 cal bullets.
 
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