Who owns a RFB please chime in
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I think all the new one in canada are gen 2 or 2.5 .
The major diffrence between the gen 1 and 2 gaz system is the gen 2 is simplified for production purpose and also has a wider range of adjustment (more suited for the use a supressor but more sensible to the change in bullet weight). Also the gen 2 has different coating on the internal. Another thing a minimal number of the gen1 had a weld on the carrier assembly cracking and they supposedly fix it on the gen 2.
My gen one as ben flawless!
The major diffrence between the gen 1 and 2 gaz system is the gen 2 is simplified for production purpose and also has a wider range of adjustment (more suited for the use a supressor but more sensible to the change in bullet weight). Also the gen 2 has different coating on the internal. Another thing a minimal number of the gen1 had a weld on the carrier assembly cracking and they supposedly fix it on the gen 2.
My gen one as ben flawless!
If you are buying newly imported on it will be the newest generation, If used you need to figure out manufactures dates or check things like how many clicks in the gas adjustment to figure out generation.
I have the second Gen and prefer it over my friends first with less adjustment.
I have the second Gen and prefer it over my friends first with less adjustment.
Thanks for the input gentlemen!
Is the RFB really finicky on its gas setting with different ammo?
I remember reading somewhere the shooter has to keep 7 different settings recorded for the 10 different ammo he's shooting (don't really know why he has to shoot 10 different types but I guess different bullet, weight etc)
Is the RFB really finicky on its gas setting with different ammo?
I remember reading somewhere the shooter has to keep 7 different settings recorded for the 10 different ammo he's shooting (don't really know why he has to shoot 10 different types but I guess different bullet, weight etc)
Yes, gas settings can be a bit finicky. I had an adjustment that worked for some plinking ammo I put together with 150 grain FMJBTs. I then went to test some new high pressure rounds without changing the gas setting. The pressure cycled the bolt quite quickly as there was a lot more pressure. Got to the point that the bolt would return so quickly that the case mouth of the spent brass was being severely deformed as it was fed into the ejection chute. The last high pressure round (I'm talking pressures so high the primer was being pierced by the firing pin) caused the bolt to get stuck. Had to coax it a bit to get it unstuck.
This was just me really testing some extremes as I was pushing 130 grain rounds out that 18" barrel at 3000 fps. Bottom line though, yes, you may need to make gas tube adjustments depending on how much pressure you are producing in your ammo. For factory loads, no 2 cartridges are the same, so gas setting may need to vary , if only slightly in some cases.
This was just me really testing some extremes as I was pushing 130 grain rounds out that 18" barrel at 3000 fps. Bottom line though, yes, you may need to make gas tube adjustments depending on how much pressure you are producing in your ammo. For factory loads, no 2 cartridges are the same, so gas setting may need to vary , if only slightly in some cases.
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I have both....FAAAAAR prefer the Gen 1. The only advantage the 2 has it that it's easier (read: cheaper) to produce. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing *wrong* with either gen, but given the choice I'll take the 1st gen every time. It's heavier duty, easier to adjust, and super simple.
Wrong way you confirm what I taught, and correct me if I am wrong, but I think the gen1 would also be alot less finicky with ammo as there is less of a precise setting?
Also mine will cycle norinco surplus (147 or 145 gr. I don't remember witch it is) and Winchester ballistic silver tip 168gr on the same setting.
On a side note from all I have read he thermold mag seem to have proven the best mag for the rfb in Canada and the USA; so much so that I read on ktog forum that kel-tec will be using them as there official supplier.
They should. I bought 4 of them. Awesome mags. I wanted to get away from the steel FN mag because it was scraping up all my brass...
The gen 1 may be less finicky to adjust due to less settings but there is very little room between the right amount of gas and too much on the RFB. With some ammo on the first gen you have to over gass it slamming the bolt too far back since the adjustments are larger. This is why the adjuster was changed on the second gen.
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Ummmmm.....no.
Lol! There's a TON of room between "the right amount of gas and too much". One-two clicks either way won't cause stoppages or "bolt slamming"....that's rediculous. The *reason* it was changed was because A: The original system was too expensive machining wise (the gas plug in the gen 1 is a thing of beauty, and B: It wasn't ideal for suppressor use as by the time it was cranked wide open the plug was turned so far it could fall out of the gun, so most guys just removed it. Seeing as the chances of me EVER being allowed a suppressor are somewhere between slim and none, I'll take the gen 1
Ummmmm.....no.
Lol! There's a TON of room between "the right amount of gas and too much". One-two clicks either way won't cause stoppages or "bolt slamming"....that's rediculous. The *reason* it was changed was because A: The original system was too expensive machining wise (the gas plug in the gen 1 is a thing of beauty, and B: It wasn't ideal for suppressor use as by the time it was cranked wide open the plug was turned so far it could fall out of the gun, so most guys just removed it. Seeing as the chances of me EVER being allowed a suppressor are somewhere between slim and none, I'll take the gen 1
This!
Auto Gas Plug
Not to hijack the thread, but there was rumour of an auto gas plug for the RFB.
Anyone know the status? It was being prototyped last time I looked into it.
P.S. And this thread just reminded me to take the RFB out this week
Not to hijack the thread, but there was rumour of an auto gas plug for the RFB.
Anyone know the status? It was being prototyped last time I looked into it.
P.S. And this thread just reminded me to take the RFB out this week
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Not to hijack the thread, but there was rumour of an auto gas plug for the RFB.
Anyone know the status? It was being prototyped last time I looked into
it.
P.S. And this thread just reminded me to take the RFB out this week
No I think its still a prototype. I was really interested, then I started thinking I only shoot 2 different ammo type and if I forget it on my hunting ammo set it it will still cycle so I dont need itm
It must only be rediculous to certain people seeing as the rifle it happened on was eventually replaced free of charge.Ummmmm.....no.
Lol! There's a TON of room between "the right amount of gas and too much". One-two clicks either way won't cause stoppages or "bolt slamming"....that's rediculous. The *reason* it was changed was because A: The original system was too expensive machining wise (the gas plug in the gen 1 is a thing of beauty, and B: It wasn't ideal for suppressor use as by the time it was cranked wide open the plug was turned so far it could fall out of the gun, so most guys just removed it. Seeing as the chances of me EVER being allowed a suppressor are somewhere between slim and none, I'll take the gen 1
If it ever went in to production I would buy it just to test it out even though I never change the adjustment from my hunting ammo and use as a single shot with other ammo because the bolt will not fully cycle
