7.62 Ball ammo, What did I come across here

[Seafury]

I have and still do reload lots of IVI brass in 308. I also used it in my 243 after necking it down, and now in my 243AI. I got a hold of some IVI match brass, it seems to be very nice. Flash holes are already de-burred. I weight sorted it to see how even it was. I sorted 500 pieces and it broke up into 3 even groups of 1 grain variance, and I had 27 odd balls that I just through in with my m14 brass.
I was getting 5-6 firings out of the machine gun brass in my M14. I had 1 head case separation on the 7th firing and decided to draw the line at 5 reloads.
To get rid of the primer crimp I just chuck a counter sink from home depot in my drill press. Just takes a quick touch on the counter sink and the crimp is gone.

And thank you for selling me 1200 cases. This brass is ideal for M1A M14 reloading. By the way dies size the outside of the brass. The additional thickness is on the inside.

 

[762shooter]

I really like reloading IVI, DA and LC brass because it is so durable as long as you don't abuse it. I usually load it down about 2 grains compared to civilian brass.

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

Since we are discussing 7.62 nato, I have a can of DAG 90 that is de-linked and has a black ring around the primers. Is this stuff Canadian? It shoots great in the bolt gun.

DA is Dominion Arsenals - Canadian. DAG is "Deusche Actien Gesellshaft" (or something like that) - German for export to places that didn't load their own 7.62x51 NATO. If it has the cross in a circle, it was made to NATO specs, otherwise it is just hardball ammo. The black is most likely waterproofing paint.

 

[J996]

DA is Dominion Arsenals - Canadian. DAG is "Deusche Actien Gesellshaft" (or something like that) - German for export to places that didn't load their own 7.62x51 NATO. If it has the cross in a circle, it was made to NATO specs, otherwise it is just hardball ammo. The black is most likely waterproofing paint.

Thanks maple-leaf! Ja it is indeed German, just saw a pic of identical rounds on AR15.com DAG 90 with nato cross. Wish I had more of it, my bolt gun put it into 3/4" at 100m.

 

[Robbs]

The IVI ball is good, reliable ammo, but it is really only capable of 2 MOA at best.

I have to agree that IVI ball is not the most accurate ammo. 2 - 4 MOA at 100 yards in my experience. Good thick brass though, and good for reloading in the M1A.

 

[TCBF]

Although IVI 'took the heat' for the first lots of Canadian 5.56 C77 Ball, they may not have been the only ones at fault. They were building projectiles to the newer (and heavier) SS-109 equivalent while Diemaco was building new C7 and C8 barrels on that nice new $250,000 hammer forging machine the taxpayers bought them. Word at the time was that the thickness of the bullet guilding metal and the depth of barrel rifling and twist rate were not compatible. Next thing, ads in "Shotgun News" are selling 'The world's most expensively produced 5.56mm NATO ammunition'.

Well, at least THAT was the truth.

When we traded in our FN C1s, FN C2s and SMGs for C7, C9 and C8 in Lahr in the fall of 1988, all 4,000 of us in 4 CMBG did it on a Friday afternoon - being on a constant state of two hours notice to move, the ammo outload had to match the usage. The first ammunition we received for the C7/C8 was headstamped FNB, and it chrono'd nice.
Two inch groups at 300 metres from new C7s were seen. For the C9s, we got Lake City M855/M856 linked. The green and orange tips confused some until we explained how the Yanks had dual fleet M16A1 and M16A2 in service while changing over and had to colour code their ammo to keep it simple.

As for IVI vs DA, shoot whatever you buy, then prep your cases as you wish and load it for your own rifle. Reduce. Re-use. Recycle.

 

[TCBF]

Double post. Connectivity issues.

 

[RememberTheSomme]

Although IVI 'took the heat' for the first lots of Canadian 5.56 C77 Ball, they may not have been the only ones at fault. They were building projectiles to the newer (and heavier) SS-109 equivalent while Diemaco was building new C7 and C8 barrels on that nice new $250,000 hammer forging machine the taxpayers bought them. Word at the time was that the thickness of the bullet guilding metal and the depth of barrel rifling and twist rate were not compatible. Next thing, ads in "Shotgun News" are selling 'The world's most expensively produced 5.56mm NATO ammunition'.

Well, at least THAT was the truth.

When we traded in our FN C1s, FN C2s and SMGs for C7, C9 and C8 in Lahr in the fall of 1988, all 4,000 of us in 4 CMBG did it on a Friday afternoon - being on a constant state of two hours notice to move, the ammo outload had to match the usage. The first ammunition we received for the C7/C8 was headstamped FNB, and it chrono'd nice.
Two inch groups at 300 metres from new C7s were seen. For the C9s, we got Lake City M855/M856 linked. The green and orange tips confused some until we explained how the Yanks had dual fleet M16A1 and M16A2 in service while changing over and had to colour code their ammo to keep it simple.

As for IVI vs DA, shoot whatever you buy, then prep your cases as you wish and load it for your own rifle. Reduce. Re-use. Recycle.

Great tidbit of CF history in regards to the C-7 there TCBF. My younger brother was with 4CMBG '84-'88