"Made in China for Marstar 'GI Rifle' in a Synthetic Stock"

PPCLIGullyPlatoon said:
I really don't want to argue the point ad nauseum and I get the math; (1/0.89)(Manufacturer Price + $100.00)=$595.51, understood.

Last I looked, the Canadian Dollar dropped 11% compared to the US Dollar - I get that; but so did the Chinese Yuan compared to the US Dollar --- trading value between Canada and the PRC has not changed that dramatically over the past year.

I am not one to tell someone how to run a business, but, as an importer, I know the typical importation markup is quite often double the "landed cost" ----contracted FOB before the price increase? Perhaps $200, but certainly not more than $300 ---- in either event, I would be asking questions: a) Why the price increase at the factory? b) Would the price increase be supported by the customer?
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YES the Canadian dollar is down 11% against its American counterpart....

Obviously you have not dealt much in the international arms arena, since when do we pay in anything but US dollars and Euros....?

Since you appear to have much better pricing than we have if you can offer thes rifles at $200. I will sign a contract today for 25,000 units

Why the increase at the factory ? Rather simple they had not increased the price in many, many years, they claim increased labor and material cost, since they are the only factory making them we had little choice.

As for our clients supportting the new price, 99% seem to understand....

I await your price offer on these rifles, either FOB or CIF your choice....

John
 
Don't mess with John! He is a Bull Dog! Well spoken. If I can preorder one of the $200 rifles, put me down for one. Lol!
 
I dont understand the people on CGN sometimes... This site is a firearms sport/enthusiast website. NOT A CHEAP GUNS DISCOUNT WEBSITE!!! As with all hobbies there is a high end and a low end. If you cant afford the high end. Tough. Stop pissing and moaning about it. I cant afford a lot of stuff I want too, but thats life. STOP POSTING ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL SORROWS HERE!
 
johnone said:
YES the Canadian dollar is down 11% against its American counterpart....

Obviously you have not dealt much in the international arms arena, since when do we pay in anything but US dollars and Euros....?

Since you appear to have much better pricing than we have if you can offer thes rifles at $200. I will sign a contract today for 25,000 units

Why the increase at the factory ? Rather simple they had not increased the price in many, many years, they claim increased labor and material cost, since they are the only factory making them we had little choice.

As for our clients supportting the new price, 99% seem to understand....

I await your price offer on these rifles, either FOB or CIF your choice....

John
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that's odd....

johnone said:
As promised some weeks ago I will no longer post or reply to questions on CGN....

It would seem that most would rather see Marstar vanish altogether, sorry to disappoint you....

One of our employees will be taking over for me, be gentle with him he is still innocent....
John
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Firstly, I don't recall saying anything about my involvement in international arms trade, nor is this a pissing contest, nor is it an advertisement for a $200 M305, nor did I suggest that I could perform a better negotiation--------

However, what I am inferring is that faulting the strength of the Canadian Dollar is the only issue with the price increase is not true. I don't dispute that 99% of customers are understanding of the prima facie price increase --- I am, however, suggesting that that customer base has seen a linear reduction by the value vs price point argument alone.

I've seen "overpurchases," and "underpurchases" too ---- and I suspect the current market supports the former, not the latter --- depends on what happens in the next little while determines that outcome.

Maybe CIF with PRC manufacturing would have been a better choice ---- don't know, I didn't do the sit down! But, efforts being a "bulldog" with potential customers is better spent with the manufacturers, no? Just a thought, from a customer service point-of-view. Perhaps you disagree??
 
I neglected to mention trade currency. John is right; most negotiations are made in EUR or USD, but it's a relative argument. Whatever equity is determined between the negotiators is, that is what it is! It matters not if the currency being used is African Blood Diamonds, Gold Bullion, or pork bellies-----as long as the equity is reasonable and convertible. Just saying-----

Arguing with customers has always been a "no no" in the business world; invariably, it looks bad, though I wouldn't expect an apology anytime soon LOL!
 
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nntw said:
that's odd....
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In actuality, I'd prefer to see Marstar stay in business! They DO carry a HUGE line of product, and John has made this business profitable. I don't have a personal beef with John or Marstar----and it's not illegal to complain about prices, and yes, I have the option to not make the purchase if I deem the price unsatisfactory --- this is the domain of the informed customer.

Personally, the loss of Marstar would be a huge impact on firearms consumers - that's all I am going to say about that.
 
PPCLIGullyPlatoon said:
In actuality, I'd prefer to see Marstar stay in business! They DO carry a HUGE line of product, and John has made this business profitable. I don't have a personal beef with John or Marstar----and it's not illegal to complain about prices, and yes, I have the option to not make the purchase if I deem the price unsatisfactory --- this is the domain of the informed customer.

Personally, the loss of Marstar would be a huge impact on firearms consumers - that's all I am going to say about that.
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Oh, I'm not commenting on, or suggesting that, Marstar's going out of business. Or that they should.

What caught my attention was:

johnone said:
As promised some weeks ago I will no longer post or reply to questions on CGN....

John
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PPCLIGullyPlatoon said:
Firstly, I don't recall saying anything about my involvement in international arms trade, nor is this a pissing contest, nor is it an advertisement for a $200 M305, nor did I suggest that I could perform a better negotiation--------

However, what I am inferring is that faulting the strength of the Canadian Dollar is the only issue with the price increase is not true. I don't dispute that 99% of customers are understanding of the prima facie price increase --- I am, however, suggesting that that customer base has seen a linear reduction by the value vs price point argument alone.

I've seen "overpurchases," and "underpurchases" too ---- and I suspect the current market supports the former, not the latter --- depends on what happens in the next little while determines that outcome.

Maybe CIF with PRC manufacturing would have been a better choice ---- don't know, I didn't do the sit down! But, efforts being a "bulldog" with potential customers is better spent with the manufacturers, no? Just a thought, from a customer service point-of-view. Perhaps you disagree??
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Considering on the last batch Marstar was transparent stating that the Chinese were upping the price of thier rifles in 2014 and the new price was going to be around $600 retail....there were no surprises here?
 
I bought an M305b from Marstar last November when they were still $429.00, I'm satisfied. And it was stated on their website the price was going up to about $600 bucks come 2014. Don't forget the rifle comes with a case valued at $30 and is actually good quality for the range, just not for planes, two 5/20 round mags, that are worth $35.00 bucks a piece, a cleaning kit which it should anyway and a sling that's functional, but nothing to write home about (I don't use it). $429.00 is what we old schoolers call, days gone by.

Oh...I swapped out the factory springs for chrome/silicon springs I ordered from Brownwells in the U.S. http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...o-chrome-silicon-rifle-springs-prod25172.aspx

and an operating rod spring guide from M14.ca http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_BLACK_ARRROW_ORSG.html
 
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johnone said:
YES the Canadian dollar is down 11% against its American counterpart....

Obviously you have not dealt much in the international arms arena, since when do we pay in anything but US dollars and Euros....?

Since you appear to have much better pricing than we have if you can offer thes rifles at $200. I will sign a contract today for 25,000 units

Why the increase at the factory ? Rather simple they had not increased the price in many, many years, they claim increased labor and material cost, since they are the only factory making them we had little choice.

As for our clients supportting the new price, 99% seem to understand....

I await your price offer on these rifles, either FOB or CIF your choice....

John
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Put my order in about a week ago. Thank you John, Nuff said....
 
I was never impressed with this rifle, even at $400.
Love the platform, just not China's take on it.
 
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Could anyone who has purchased one of these rifles - or preferably someone from Marstar - please provide a detailed description or picture of how the receivers are marked in this latest batch? Are they marked the way the previous batch was without the Norinco logo and "Made In China" markings? How's the quality of the machining?

Thanks in advance!
 
colonel1972 said:
I bought an M305b from Marstar last November when they were still $429.00, I'm satisfied. And it was stated on their website the price was going up to about $600 bucks come 2014. Don't forget the rifle comes with a case valued at $30 and is actually good quality for the range, just not for planes, two 5/20 round mags, that are worth $35.00 bucks a piece, a cleaning kit which it should anyway and a sling that's functional, but nothing to write home about (I don't use it). $429.00 is what we old schoolers call, days gone by.

Oh...I swapped out the factory springs for chrome/silicon springs I ordered from Brownwells in the U.S. http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...o-chrome-silicon-rifle-springs-prod25172.aspx

and an operating rod spring guide from M14.ca http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_BLACK_ARRROW_ORSG.html
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Thanks for the links,,, spring was out of stock,,, but I bought the operating rod spring guide...
 
Sh0ckw4v3 said:
Could anyone who has purchased one of these rifles - or preferably someone from Marstar - please provide a detailed description or picture of how the receivers are marked in this latest batch? Are they marked the way the previous batch was without the Norinco logo and "Made In China" markings? How's the quality of the machining?

Thanks in advance!
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I got one a week or so back from marstar all mine has is m305 and 7.62mm with the serial # the machining could be better but I don't care I didn't even want the thing when I received it in the mail (apparently they send you the rifle then you pay them) I haven't even taken it out of the bag it comes in.
 
NewGunner7.62 said:
I got one a week or so back from marstar all mine has is m305 and 7.62mm with the serial # the machining could be better but I don't care I didn't even want the thing when I received it in the mail (apparently they send you the rifle then you pay them) I haven't even taken it out of the bag it comes in.
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Kinda strange they would send you a rifle without you ordering one... LOL!.... just got mine today,, same markings... M305 and 7.62mm.... it does seem to be a little sticky when racking it,,, but it's new and I haven't fired it yet,,, no scratches or dings as common for Norinco... finish on the barrel and metal seems to be a nice quality... Stock is a little plasticy and cheapish feel to it... But not too bad...
 
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