"Made in China for Marstar 'GI Rifle' in a Synthetic Stock"

Kinda strange they would send you a rifle without you ordering one... LOL!.... just got mine today,, same markings... M305 and 7.62mm.... it does seem to be a little sticky when racking it,,, but it's new and I haven't fired it yet,,, no scratches or dings as common for Norinco... finish on the barrel and metal seems to be a nice quality... Stock is a little plasticy and cheapish feel to it... But not too bad...

this form got me curious so i took it out of the bag the stock does feel cheap but its solid all the same the flash hider is welded on wtf and i wasn't laughing mate i had to sell my 91/59 and even then i was 150 short and now i owe to my gd and i have a rifle i didn't want. (i gave the money to family for their rent)
 
this form got me curious so i took it out of the bag the stock does feel cheap but its solid all the same the flash hider is welded on wtf and i wasn't laughing mate i had to sell my 91/59 and even then i was 150 short and now i owe to my gd and i have a rifle i didn't want. (i gave the money to family for their rent)

Get in touch with me if you have any questions, The flash hider is easy to break loose once you loosen off the castle nut. I made a set of castle nut pliers so I can give ya a hand. Then all ya need is a BFH, and a vise (Black and decker workmate) works great. They are a great rifle you will enjoy tweaking it and making it all it can be :)
 
here is my question,

why don't they just increase the quality of the builds, the last two i bought (one from canada ammo and one from marstar), needed adjustment of the op-rod guide, re-indexing, etc. (little tweeks from poor assemblies and finishing) just send hungry or lazarus out there show them how to assemble the damn thing. it's a semi-auto .308 at less than a grand. not much competition out there i can think of
 
I bought an M305b from Marstar last November when they were still $429.00, I'm satisfied. And it was stated on their website the price was going up to about $600 bucks come 2014. Don't forget the rifle comes with a case valued at $30 and is actually good quality for the range, just not for planes, two 5/20 round mags, that are worth $35.00 bucks a piece, a cleaning kit which it should anyway and a sling that's functional, but nothing to write home about (I don't use it). $429.00 is what we old schoolers call, days gone by]

I too put my order in when I herd that. Got a $75sks also. Which are of course no more. I got them for. Rainy day I guess as I haven't shot either!
 
True enough - it's still a reasonable deal when comparing an M14 to the M305. The compromise for me is, to have an M305 work like an M14, I am likely going to have to sink in a few bucks - perhaps twice as much, and I am okay with $900 battle rifle that is similar to an M14. Now, it's approaching $1200-$1400 --- it's not near as far a stretch to $2000 for a Springer, not that I am saying I would pay that; it just makes the M305 less of a bargain.

I don't get what you mean by comparing a prohibited m14 to an m305..... or an m1a for that matter.
rack grade m14 rifles like the ones we used to buy for under 300 bucks at lever arms in the beginning of the 90's weren't masterfully put together either. the parts were to spec but "build quality" was not "perfect". if I remember correctly , the real m14 rifles that went thru my hands before the prohib began weren't match grade rifles LOL
I can easily massage a Chinese m305 into just as good and reliable a shooter as one of those real ones.

just ask our American brothers what they would pay for a Chinese rifle these days...... more than marstar's price I know that for sure. a couple hundred bucks more in fact
 
I don't get what you mean by comparing a prohibited m14 to an m305..... or an m1a for that matter.
rack grade m14 rifles like the ones we used to buy for under 300 bucks at lever arms in the beginning of the 90's weren't masterfully put together either. the parts were to spec but "build quality" was not "perfect". if I remember correctly , the real m14 rifles that went thru my hands before the prohib began weren't match grade rifles LOL
I can easily massage a Chinese m305 into just as good and reliable a shooter as one of those real ones.

just ask our American brothers what they would pay for a Chinese rifle these days...... more than marstar's price I know that for sure. a couple hundred bucks more in fact[/QUOTE

I can't speak for them - - only myself. IF the M305 was as difficult as it is in the USA to acquire, I would be inclined to pay a little more.

I would pay TONS for an FN, which sell in some places rather cheap.

Besides, having lived in the US for a while, there's a "pride factor" - - if it AIN'T American!
 
A friend on mine has one in a wood stock he bought a few years ago from Marstar. He has not attended a clinic or performed any 'tweaks" on it. Each time he shoots it in the Vintage match (100,200 & 300 yards) I marvel at how well it shoots with just milsurp ammo.

This is his practice target at 200 yards.

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Firstly, I don't recall saying anything about my involvement in international arms trade, nor is this a pissing contest, nor is it an advertisement for a $200 M305, nor did I suggest that I could perform a better negotiation--------

However, what I am inferring is that faulting the strength of the Canadian Dollar is the only issue with the price increase is not true. I don't dispute that 99% of customers are understanding of the prima facie price increase --- I am, however, suggesting that that customer base has seen a linear reduction by the value vs price point argument alone.

I've seen "overpurchases," and "underpurchases" too ---- and I suspect the current market supports the former, not the latter --- depends on what happens in the next little while determines that outcome.

Maybe CIF with PRC manufacturing would have been a better choice ---- don't know, I didn't do the sit down! But, efforts being a "bulldog" with potential customers is better spent with the manufacturers, no? Just a thought, from a customer service point-of-view. Perhaps you disagree??

Are all 33 of your posts in this one thread?

Did you just take a community college business admin course? I know Economics 101 is really interesting, but showing up to CGN and throwing out every term you have learned in the last 6 months to protest the increased M305 prices makes you sound obnoxious.

I will point out that you omit many other important pricing factors in regards to market value of products (probably because you have yet to take Economics 201).

1) Availability of substitutes: are there any other .308 MBR military style firearms for a comparable price point? NO. Are there any other M14 options at a better price point : NO. Forgoing alternatives, pricing can be increased due to a lack of cheaper substitutes for that product. If you have no other choices to substitute within a reasonable amount of money, then the price is deemed to be fairly reflected (up to/and in consideration of point 2).

2) FMV is determined by what someone is willing to pay for a item, therefore if people are buying at $550 then the price is justified. I would say that based on the EE prices for USED M305's, $550 for a new M305 is a good deal. All factors considering, if costs have gone up and this is the first price increase we have seen in a decade, then you should be thankful that M305 prices have been so well insulated for so long.

3) If Vendors can sell out all their inventory units in a matter of days at the $400- $450 price point, then the guns are UNDERPRICED and the market value of M305's needs to be adjusted. Pricing is important for REGULATING supply and demand, good deals are nice, but low prices are supposed to STIMULATE sales when product turnover stagnates, it should never be the total purchase driver for a variety of reasons.

Price should never be so low that you could clear your inventory in a week without maximizing returns. Clearly we have had it very good for a long time as it has been next to impossible to score a M305 for a while.

4) Don't cry about what they used to cost, if the value was so amazing at $399 and again at $425 then you should have bought 2 like the rest of us. The price has changed by %36 yet they are still great value. The EE has already had a healthy dose of above market prices for a while, people have been selling M305's for a mint all during the time Vendors were dry so that is a big flag that the new price is

5) Arguing with customers is fine, particularly if they are being unreasonable. Everyone wants something for nothing or in their maximum interest, but he is in Business to make money, not to cater to your budget.

You are complaining about his prices and attacking the reasoning for why they have been adjusted to the $550 mark... the truth is he doesn't need to give you a reason he can charge what he wants and you can either pay it or go buy from someone else. At the end of the day, the new price is still very fair, if you don't like it you have the option to not purchase, but he doesn't have to pacify you, nor does he have to justify his prices to you.
 
Boy! I didn't realize this was an "argument thread" but I ll put this to bed plainly even though there seems to be a vested interest in broadcasting polar opinions surrounding this whole issue.

So, 1) I don't care for the current price 2) I ve followed EVERYONE'S advice from here and NOT purchased one 3) I agree that importers can charge whatever they like and I don't have to like the rationale provided 4) I don't think it's good value for the money and I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION!


I ve written several posts in CGN, generally about issues I'm passionate about - - and NOT just this thread (which by the way has been resurrected and beaten to death so many times even I find it a waste of time!)
 
I could not resist.... How did this get going again ??

The argument seems to be that some folks want genuine M-14s....

I have 3000 off shore, buy the ot at only $200./each FOB this price is even low enough for those who seem to know the business better than all others.

I am awaiting offers....

John
 
Some people are complete jokes. If you're crying over the price of a $600 firearm then you shouldn't be trying to buy firearms to begin with. Stick to rimfires and SKS's if price is really that big an issue. I paid $450 for my first M305 and $600 for my second. Don't see me complaining about price. Because they are still the most inexpensive firearms I own. Yet my Norinco shoots tighter groups then my brothers Springfield. So quit crying about the price and save up the $2000 plus to get a Springfield so you can get your little "Made In America" stamp on it.
 
Some people are complete jokes. If you're crying over the price of a $600 firearm then you shouldn't be trying to buy firearms to begin with. Stick to rimfires and SKS's if price is really that big an issue. I paid $450 for my first M305 and $600 for my second. Don't see me complaining about price. Because they are still the most inexpensive firearms I own. Yet my Norinco shoots tighter groups then my brothers Springfield. So quit crying about the price and save up the $2000 plus to get a Springfield so you can get your little "Made In America" stamp on it.

Interesting when you consider that the receivers are made in Canada
John
 
I could not resist.... How did this get going again ??

The argument seems to be that some folks want genuine M-14s....

I have 3000 off shore, buy the ot at only $200./each FOB this price is even low enough for those who seem to know the business better than all others.

I am awaiting offers....

John

by the time they get here $600 does not seem bad business wise its not like you are getting rich off of them when you consider the overhead you guys produce
 
I could not resist.... How did this get going again ??

The argument seems to be that some folks want genuine M-14s....

I have 3000 off shore, buy the ot at only $200./each FOB this price is even low enough for those who seem to know the business better than all others.

I am awaiting offers....

John

John, with the huge increase in retail prices for USGI parts in the U.S. and here, why don't you strip them for parts ?
 
Most of the good parts cannot go into the USA. Bolts and barrels etc. The Chinese guns work and they take the beating.
$600.00 for a gun that can do this is worth it. Most people always look back. Garand used to be $100.00 a gun , now everyone
is paying $1600.00 to build one. And the price goes up from $400.00 to $600.00 gets everyone Upset??
 
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