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Shaun, do you know the weight of the jury light profile?

2.5lbs IIRC for the ones we spin up.

Here’s mine!

- 20” FN CHF barrel cut down to 18.5” with integral flash hider
- Daniel Defense M4A1 Ris II
- Geissele SD-E
- Sopmod stock
- EXPS3-0 Tan

Hey Shaun, does the DD RIS II lock up ok with the upper?

No, the screws need to be ground down to reduce their diameter just a little bit. We can do it, or honestly any machine shop and most competent guys with some garage tools and a steady hand could.

Does the upper receiver have a hole for the anti rotation pin on the hodge Defense or noveske handguards?

No, we aren't putting a hole in to accommodate only a few hand guards out there that use that system.
 
2.5lbs IIRC for the ones we spin up.



No, the screws need to be ground down to reduce their diameter just a little bit. We can do it, or honestly any machine shop and most competent guys with some garage tools and a steady hand could.



No, we aren't putting a hole in to accommodate only a few hand guards out there that use that system.

Would this have the same issue? Would definitely #### up my plans!
DD MFR
https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/mfr-rail/mfrtm-15-0-m-lokr-rail.html
 
Can you post the dimentions of the width of the picrail where the handguard antirotation mates up.

My MI combat handguard fit the NEA billet upper and was tight as hell !

Ill mesure it up tonight :)
 
No, the screws need to be ground down to reduce their diameter just a little bit. We can do it, or honestly any machine shop and most competent guys with some garage tools and a steady hand could.

Thanks for the heads up, I’m actually more worried about the two anti rotation tabs that lock back into the top of the receiver, since it’s shaped for standard round forged upper. Any clues? ;)
 
Thanks for the heads up, I’m actually more worried about the two anti rotation tabs that lock back into the top of the receiver, since it’s shaped for standard round forged upper. Any clues? ;)

Chances are good you will need to file or modify the anti rotation tabs a little bit. We have had to do this on many handguards in order to get them to fit properly.
 
This will be my first build, so I know almost nothing. I'm taking lots of notes in this thread. I just know I want 18.6" in 223 and for the entire rifle to be relatively light (8ish lbs)

Question: What is the difference between mid-length and rifle-length gas system? I have googled a bit, and got mixed results. Which would be preferable for an 18.6" barrel?

So the difference is the length of the gas tube (obviously), which has important results when it comes to how the rifle functions. A rifle-length gas system is usually done in barrels 18 inches and longer (but some use mid-length up to 18).
The main difference between the two is known as dwell time. This refers to the amount of time that there is pressure in the barrel that allows gas to keep going back into the bolt carrier group to have it cycle backwards.
This difference has two main results - one, it affects how much recoil the shooter feels, and two, it affects reliability when it comes to the type of ammo the rifle can cycle consistently.

For example, rifle-length gas systems in barrels 18 and above are known to be very soft shooting but are often finicky with the ammo they will reliabiy cycle, because there is less time available to cycle the bolt carrier when compared to a 18" barrel that has a mid-length gas.
As a result, softer powered ammunition (less powder and less pressure) may have a problem being reliable in a rifle gas system because there may not been enough gas pressure to fully cycle the bolt backwards to the rear and to properly take another round out of the mag and into the chamber.
This is known as short stroking and I have personally had this problem when shooting Independence brand 5.56 in my 18" rifle gas AR. It short stroked almost every round on an H2 buffer. In comparison, black box American Eagle XM ammo worked just fine because I assume it's loaded a bit hotter.

A lot of people say that mid-length gas systems are the best compromise between reliability and recoil feel when it comes to 5.56 / .223 ammunition.

It's a whole can of worms if you also want to talk about the effects of how buffer weight (milspec rifle buffers vs carbine buffers vs rifle buffer springs vs carbine buffer springs vs H2, H3 buffers). All of these things have an effect on reliability and recoil as well.
Even different calibers run better with different gas systems. For example, more barrels chambered in 300 Blackout have pistol-length gas systems, while 7.62x39 have carbine-length gas because they work the best with those calibers.

I know it's as clear as mud but I hope it helps.

For what it's worth, I would go with a mid-length gas system and start off with a milspec buffer (either rifle or carbine-length depending on if you're using an A2 length stock or an adjustable stock) and then play with it from there if you want to optimize your setup.
 
For the 7.62x39 would you only need a specific 7.62x39 bolt and barrel? Is there anything else that needs to be done to the feed ramps etc?

I’ll have to do more research into that, I think you can have feed issues with that round in an unmodified AR style upper. When I get to that one I’ll be sure to report the issues I have, if any.
 
mil-spec BCG titanium-nitrite coated from of gunworx.ca
MRA 18.6 mid length spiral fluted 416 barrel.
Bravo company enhanced milspec LPK
Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6

Have not fully decided on handguard. 12-14" ultra light m-lok something
 
Think I've got all my parts together... Might change a few items along the way.
Odin 300 blackout stainless 18.6" barrel
Faxon flame fluted 20" match 223 Wylde barrel
Battle arms 13.7 & 17" rails ( respectively )
Ascend armory 223 titanium brake ( 39 grams )
Lantac bcg's
Titanium forward assists ( if those uppers get made )
JP adjustable gas blocks
Giessele 3GSD trigger
Giessele charging handle
Giessele h1/h2 buffer and spring
Giessele Maritime bolt release
Knights armament ambi mag release
Bcm gunfighter mod 2 grip
Strike industries viper stock
A few v7 titanium small parts
 
Do feel a bit disappointed in just how many handguards apparently will not fit and require machining to be fitted. To me having to chop up a 400$ handguard doesn't feel "compatible" if I can't put it right back on an AR upper. :(

But pre-order is already in so I'll have to deal with it I guess.

"These receiver sets are compatible with standard mil-spec lower parts kits, bolt carrier groups, barrel extensions, charging handles, triggers, handguards and more accessories found on modern sporting rifles."
 
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Something like a BCM MCMR or KAC URX should work fine
I had a Kac URX 4 on my MV and it fit perfectly.
I did have ATRS install it though, so not sure if it needed to be modified:)

And not sure if the handguard mounts to the MS ,same as the MV.

But it looked awesome.. ha ha
 
Hey Shaun,

Will the Geissele Super Modular Rail MK13 M-LOK attach to the upper without any modifications? Already have one in hand and not keen to chop it up.

Thanks
 
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In order to hopefully shortcut some of the "will this fit" questions, could you please post an image or two of the areas that usually cause problems and the relevant dimensions?

Thanks!
 
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