Surplus Walther P1's

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I always loved these pistols as a kid growing up. Just cool.

Now we can say they are a Cold War Classic.

We brought in a few of these surplus pistols, and they look un-issued. Sealed up in there bags. Although the grips are worn, the pistols themselves are new.
Pulled one out for some photos for the website, dated 1969. Holsters that come with them are new. Very cool pieces of history.

Feel free to post up photos of your P38 or P1.

Enjoy.















 
Just checked, we have one more but will order some more in. I didnt open the bag but it looks like its dated 1977.

http://www.nordicmarksman.com/Walther-P1-9mm-49-Surplus.html

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Luv the P38! I also own a Spreewerck from 44 all original. These surplus units are great for the range and for everyone to experience this legendary pistol. In my opinion the P38 is a far better collector than a Luger, in Canada anyway. Least these units can stay 100% original unlike the Luger. The Canadian barrel regulations really killed the value of the Lugers as most of us don’t have a prohib. Not to many left here that are all original with unmodified barrels, really sad. Enjoy your P1 Walther, still a nice piece of history.
 
Nordic Marksman said:
I always loved these pistols as a kid growing up. Just cool.

Now we can say they are a Cold War Classic.

We brought in a few of these surplus pistols, and they look un-issued. Sealed up in there bags. Although the grips are worn, the pistols themselves are new.
Pulled one out for some photos for the website, dated 1969. Holsters that come with them are new. Very cool pieces of history.

Feel free to post up photos of your P38 or P1.

Enjoy.
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They come with the frame crossbolt, very good, they are nice.
 
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I read a bit about the frame cross bolt... its that important on the P1's?
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caramel said:
Yes because the frame is aluminiun, it prevent cracking of the frame.
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Actually, the steel cross-bolt is there to provide a harder "wear seat" for the steel locking block to operate on. They found that after shooting a lot of ammo the steel locking block would wear off the locking ramp in the aluminum frame to the extent that the pistol would start to have locking problems.
It really has nothing to do with cracking of the frame.
 
05RAV said:
Actually, the steel cross-bolt is there to provide a harder "wear seat" for the steel locking block to operate on. They found that after shooting a lot of ammo the steel locking block would wear off the locking ramp in the aluminum frame to the extent that the pistol would start to have locking problems.
It really has nothing to do with cracking of the frame.
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Information given to me by a dealer, sorry if it's wrong
 
"It really has nothing to do with cracking of the frame." Wrong...& not true.

Nothing at all? Really? Walther's P38 was a steel frame receiver. The steel frame at the front ensured that the 9mm cartridge would not compromise the thinnest part of the forward frame. The much lighter production aluminum frames began to show cracks & frame splits at the weakest point ahead of the locking block due to the pressure of the 9mm cartridge. P38 aluminum frames are not as strong as the steel frame.
Walther's fix was to insert a hexagonal steel cross pin in the aluminum frame to increase stability, and ensure the forward aluminum frame would not warp, twist, or crack.

It is common knowledge that the Walther P38/P1 aluminum frame had frame cracking problems, that were remedied by the insertion of the steel pin.
 
hatman1793 said:
"It really has nothing to do with cracking of the frame." Wrong...& not true.

Nothing at all? Really? Walther's P38 was a steel frame receiver. The steel frame at the front ensured that the 9mm cartridge would not compromise the thinnest part of the forward frame. The much lighter production aluminum frames began to show cracks & frame splits at the weakest point ahead of the locking block due to the pressure of the 9mm cartridge. P38 aluminum frames are not as strong as the steel frame.
Walther's fix was to insert a hexagonal steel cross pin in the aluminum frame to increase stability, and ensure the forward aluminum frame would not warp, twist, or crack.

It is common knowledge that the Walther P38/P1 aluminum frame had frame cracking problems, that were remedied by the insertion of the steel pin.
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Well my infos were right.
 
hatman1793 said:
"It really has nothing to do with cracking of the frame." Wrong...& not true.

Nothing at all? Really? Walther's P38 was a steel frame receiver. The steel frame at the front ensured that the 9mm cartridge would not compromise the thinnest part of the forward frame. The much lighter production aluminum frames began to show cracks & frame splits at the weakest point ahead of the locking block due to the pressure of the 9mm cartridge. P38 aluminum frames are not as strong as the steel frame.
Walther's fix was to insert a hexagonal steel cross pin in the aluminum frame to increase stability, and ensure the forward aluminum frame would not warp, twist, or crack.
It is common knowledge that the Walther P38/P1 aluminum frame had frame cracking problems, that were remedied by the insertion of the steel pin.
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WRONG!

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/aluminum-frame-walther-p-38-p-1.159973/

(Quote)"Note the comment in one of the above posts that the hex-bolt was not installed to prevent the frame from cracking but to reduce wear (read rounding or peening) at a key point. When you disassemble the P-1, you'll see that the hex bolt comes into play with the locking bolt when the slide is returned to battery by the recoil springs and not when the locking bolt strikes the frame from the more violent blow-back forces of the fired round.(end quote)

(Quote)"The fact is, the steel reinforcement pin was NOT to prevent frame cracks, it was to give the locking block a steel "wear surface". Walther's that were heavily shot tended to wear the soft aluminum ramp in the frame that operates the locking block. When the ramp wore enough, the gun would start to have locking problems.The steel pin was installed to give the steel locking block a longer wearing steel surface. THAT'S why the pin is hexagonal in shape.
There are a number of reasons aluminum P-38/P1 pistols will crack frames or slides. Some of the most common:
1. Shooting hot ammo or heavy bullet loads.
These guns were designed for use with standard load 125 grain bullet ammo.
Shooting hot ammo or bullets over 125 grains can cause cracks.
2. Using "extra-power" recoil springs.
While extra-strong recoil springs may "pad" the frame from hot ammo, people fail to understand that the slide ALSO slams SHUT with greater force.
It's that extra-hard slide closing that literally hammers the frame forward and cracks it.
A look at the posted broken frame shows that the frame was hammered FORWARD not rearward".(end quote).

By the way, I've been shooting the Walther P1 for over 5 years so I know well how it works.
 
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05RAV said:
WRONG!

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/aluminum-frame-walther-p-38-p-1.159973/

(Quote)"Note the comment in one of the above posts that the hex-bolt was not installed to prevent the frame from cracking but to reduce wear (read rounding or peening) at a key point. When you disassemble the P-1, you'll see that the hex bolt comes into play with the locking bolt when the slide is returned to battery by the recoil springs and not when the locking bolt strikes the frame from the more violent blow-back forces of the fired round.(end quote)

(Quote)"The fact is, the steel reinforcement pin was NOT to prevent frame cracks, it was to give the locking block a steel "wear surface". Walther's that were heavily shot tended to wear the soft aluminum ramp in the frame that operates the locking block. When the ramp wore enough, the gun would start to have locking problems.The steel pin was installed to give the steel locking block a longer wearing steel surface. THAT'S why the pin is hexagonal in shape.
There are a number of reasons aluminum P-38/P1 pistols will crack frames or slides. Some of the most common:
1. Shooting hot ammo or heavy bullet loads.
These guns were designed for use with standard load 125 grain bullet ammo.
Shooting hot ammo or bullets over 125 grains can cause cracks.
2. Using "extra-power" recoil springs.
While extra-strong recoil springs may "pad" the frame from hot ammo, people fail to understand that the slide ALSO slams SHUT with greater force.
It's that extra-hard slide closing that literally hammers the frame forward and cracks it.
A look at the posted broken frame shows that the frame was hammered FORWARD not rearward".(end quote).

By the way, I've been shooting the Walther P1 for over 5 years so I know well how it works.
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Thanks for the note. Makes sense.
 
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