The R18 Mk2 Review Pt 2 Live Fire Reliabllity and Accuracy Results
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That depends entirely upon how well you personally manage a heavy, mil-spec Trigger. The R18 Mk2's biggest limitation to achieving maximum mechanical accuracy from the system is the ability of the shooter, exacerbated by the stock Trigger. Which is precisely why I chose to eliminate as much of the "Trigger factor" as possible from my accuracy testing....
I think that the R18 Mk2 has demonstrated 2 MOA with bulk-grade PMC 62 gr X-Tac ammo. That it was achieved by a mediocre shooter with an improved Trigger is of no more consequence than a highly-skilled shooter managing the mil-spec Trigger well. Either way, the Barrel/Bolt/Carrier combination is capable of 2 MOA with standard Ball ammo.
I would not consider $2600 to be a discount rifle.
If you are referring to other earlier Canadian 180's then yes.
FWIW on my WK180C, once I had my chamber re-reamed (I have a 'very' early WK that had a tight chamber) and the gas block milled to stop it hitting the handguard I went from 3-4MOA with 55gr and other factory ammo to less than 1MOA with handloads using 68gr Hornady Match bullets and the addition of an ALC trigger. Note the squares are less than 1" on that particular target.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-the-range?p=15271320&viewfull=1#post15271320
I suspect with the twist rate of the R18 barrel it 'could' get sub MOA with hand loaded heavier bullets.
One group does not make a rifle consistent.
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My photos were of average groups for each load tested. No cherry-picked target results. Just saying....
Oh, I very much trust your groups.
This is a semi auto and is performing where I would expect it to.
It isnt supposed to be a sub MOA precision rifle.
Not sure how the trigger would affect the accuracy potential of a rifle though... With enough experience, one can shoot with very good accuracy with any trigger...
It may affect the accuracy potential of an individual, but not the rifle...
Triggers do change the accuracy outcome of a rifle. No matter how good of a shooter one is, there can be mechanical limitations to a triggers ability due to heavy pull, or just a sloppy trigger.
Like the X95, I don’t even know when it’s going to break and there is so much slop. No matter how hard you try you max out at a certain point due to the limitation of the trigger. Put in an aftermarket trigger pack and Lightning Bow and immediate results.
The trigger can affect the shootability of a firearm.
It doesn't affect the firearm's inherent accuracy.
Put it in a machine rest and the trigger - heavy, creepy, whatever, is irrelevant.
It appears that a trigger can pointlessly derail a thread, though.
It doesn't affect the firearm's inherent accuracy.
Put it in a machine rest and the trigger - heavy, creepy, whatever, is irrelevant.
It appears that a trigger can pointlessly derail a thread, though.
So it would seem....
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I like this rifle ....but I wonder if there will be a Gen 1...Gen 2...Gen 3...etc....I would like to own one but being the first ones out there it may have bugs in it that may come out in time ....
Very nice rifle ...but again a wee bit pricey ....more than an h&k sl-8.....
I don’t care what or who says this or that ....you are not going to come even close to German or Swiss engineering and machining...
They are the best
So please make this lovely rifle come down in price
Please make it reliable
Also in 308 ...
I’ll be watching and waiting
And again cheers to you folks to bring this to market....thank you for all your time and effort on this project
And thank you
Very nice rifle ...but again a wee bit pricey ....more than an h&k sl-8.....
I don’t care what or who says this or that ....you are not going to come even close to German or Swiss engineering and machining...
They are the best
So please make this lovely rifle come down in price
Please make it reliable
Also in 308 ...
I’ll be watching and waiting
And again cheers to you folks to bring this to market....thank you for all your time and effort on this project
And thank you
Your screeching sure is lending credence to your argument. If you refuse to believe there are people who can achieve sub moa with finely tuned handloads out of a MCR, you're either shilling or lost. Time to hit the optometrist.
Post up your 5x5 groups of sub moa, witnessed at the range - no called flyers and I will emt you $20.
A BT APC 223 won't do it so a budget 180 won't.
Seriously? A "Finely tuned MCR"? I think he is calling out people claiming those things as 'consistent sub-MOA' rifles as (rightly) full of sh!t.
What does it have to do with this R18 rifle?
Well for starters, if people are looking for a new rifle and see honest photos of realistic groups here, but listen to snake oil salesmen claiming another, similar but cheaper rifle will out-perform it by an exceptional margin, then I think there is good reason to call out those posts for what they are; horse sh!t.
You make no sense. You claim the R18 Mk2 is too expensive (for you), but you want it to be reliable and in a different calibre - both of which cost development money! You claim that the R18 can never compete with a bastardized G36 or other Euro-trash rifle, but are also concerned that the rifle may grow and improve in the future - just like those very same Euro rifles have done during their 25(+) year (G36) development history. Huh? Like, WTF?!? You are a walking, talking bundle of confusion, contradiction and apprehension.
As a strong guess, I'd venture that the R18 is not for you. Stick to your German "plastic 2x4" with the ergonomics of a brick. That's the safe bet....
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The more I read on this site lately the more my BS detector goes up and I realize a lot of posters either must be incredibly gifted shooters or don't shoot very much at all.
The accuracy of this gun looks to be on par with any other semi auto.
Before the IOC every rack grade AR I shot (non free floated, or modified extensively) shot 3 MOA there or about with bulk ammo. The same kind of ammo used in this test.
When I had my X95 it shot the exact same as those AR's maybe even a hair tighter groups.
When people think any of these types of platforms will shoot 1 MOA all day with bulk orders from Tenda I call BS.
Heck some bolt guns are hard to get to shoot 1MOA all day.
The accuracy of this gun looks to be on par with any other semi auto.
Before the IOC every rack grade AR I shot (non free floated, or modified extensively) shot 3 MOA there or about with bulk ammo. The same kind of ammo used in this test.
When I had my X95 it shot the exact same as those AR's maybe even a hair tighter groups.
When people think any of these types of platforms will shoot 1 MOA all day with bulk orders from Tenda I call BS.
Heck some bolt guns are hard to get to shoot 1MOA all day.
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The R18 is what I want.
A pencil barrel that hopefully balances the rifle better.
Needs to be 2-3 MOA with shxt ammo.
A pencil barrel that hopefully balances the rifle better.
Needs to be 2-3 MOA with shxt ammo.
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