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Gov't division at work, liberal's are masters at it.
See lots of hard talk about stand your ground with the gun owners...don't be a pussy and do the right thing.
These post at hilarious actually, I have watched comments the last two election where many gun owner's said they would still vote liberal or, not vote conservative regardless even if it meant Liberials would win!
Yeah, seems like the community will kill and feed on its own regardless of business owner or common gun owner, it's all lip service untill the metal meets the bone!
Again liberal's are patient, out wait everyone cause division and frustration dogs turn on one another for scraps.
See lots of hard talk about stand your ground with the gun owners...don't be a pussy and do the right thing.
These post at hilarious actually, I have watched comments the last two election where many gun owner's said they would still vote liberal or, not vote conservative regardless even if it meant Liberials would win!
Yeah, seems like the community will kill and feed on its own regardless of business owner or common gun owner, it's all lip service untill the metal meets the bone!
Again liberal's are patient, out wait everyone cause division and frustration dogs turn on one another for scraps.
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This division is the decision of the CSAAA business members only and only them. They did not have to negotiate to manage the Liberals and Antis gun grab program. They were not forced to get in that contract. They did it because of greed.
This time - this one is not on the Libs - it’s from our own who betrayed us in full knowledge of what they were doing. They were at it for over a year. Their own admission on top of it.
Before the CSAAA jumped in with the Liberals - nobody wanted to do anything with the program. Those turn coat sold us to obtain a contract and sell their inventory to the Gov. by giving up - they agreed with the Liberals and anti gun orgs - that the IOC guns they sold us are not suitable for civilian. They let us down big time along with everybody involved in court cases - actively or financially.
That one is not on the Liberals - it’s on the CSAAA and it’s members that made a choice - join the Liberals in their gun grab program against all Canadian gun owners. Sad - brutal - but our new reality.
As for your comments that gun owners vote Liberals - if you believe all comments made by weirdo - on CGN and other forum are real gun owners, you are naive. CGN is infested with #### disturbers - scammers - players - that claim to be but are not.
We have to accept that owning a gun does not mean it is your only political concern. I can see someone having his lively hood threatened by a gov policy..to be mad and vote for the opposite side. Gun owners are part of the population and have many concerns like anybody.
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Go...leave us, in peace.
The financial loss these companies who sold us out will endure from many of us boycotting them will be much more damaging than the firearms they could have wrote off as a tax loss. Keep in mind the companies who are claiming they are near bankrupted with inventory are the same that had the best years of sales in 20 plus years. We supported them so they could hold on in the fight. I know many small shops who wld never sell us out. Epps and Wolverine will never see another dime of mine. And for them to pull out and resign after they did the damage does nothing to right their wrong. CCFR had taken a lot of money from the Hipwells so they will be mute and not complain. Rod Giltica is showing how little of a back bone he has now as well.
What they did now - erase what they did in the past. A good father - a hard worker who have a drink too much and get involved in a car crash that kill somebody else - become a criminal. And this - no matter how good a man he is - it’s with him and the families involved. It’s irreversible.
Same with Wolverine - Matt Hipwell. He decided to side with the Liberals - he was on the board for that whole year +, while the CSAAA was negotiating to be the gun grabber arm the Liberals and anti gun group.
If he was really a gun right supporter - he will not have signed in on a contract to deprive us of our property.
Matt Hipwell and his business - Wolverine - are turn coat and supporter of the Liberals gun grab program.
Why he turned on all Canadian gun owners - his clients and even his father..go ask him.
But there is no denial he has done it.
If you purchase anything from those business - you are dum…
We all did support those dealers for years.
Collectively - we have put millions of $ in those business. We have millions in our gun safe that cannot be used - same gun those turn coat sold us. While pro-gun org and individuals are in court to fight the IOC - those guys negotiated a contract to get our guns.
Now they signed to deprive us of our property. They work with the Liberals and anti gun group. Fact.
None of those individual and business are on our side. They had our support but siding with the Liberals against all gun owners is just that - betrayal and traitors to all.
You do not understand that nobody in Canada accepted to participate in this. The Libs reached out to stores - gunsmiths - and even non gun business and nobody wanted to do anything with the gun grab program. Provinces that have the RCMP as main police force clearly indicated that the resources they have are for fighting crime not to grab gun from law abiding gun owner. They had a will but no mean to act.
The anti gun org have no mean to collect or manage anything. You obviously do not know who Polysesouviens his. They are lobbyist paid by the Feds with our money. Thats all. They are a Quebec anti gun org and they cannot even think to manage a gun grab program.
Saying we are better to be F###ed by the CSAAA than the liberals and the anti- gun org is just maddening. You are sick.
As for Ray Harrimam and SFOC - he jumped the boat when he realized how this will harm his business. He was on the board for the whole year the CSAAA was negotiating and entering in a contract to manage the buy-grab back. He is as dirty than all those CSAAA board members.
If you don’t understand this - you will never understand anything.
They were not used.
They willingly entered in a contract - after over a year of negotiating - with the Liberals - to execute their gun grab program.
This is not an oversight - they did it for money - greed.
That they negotiated to get fair compensation for their inventory is one thing - they should even have sued the Libs over it. They were screwed by the Liberals - - the same Liberals they are now in bed with.
They decided instead , to enter in a contract with the Liberal and anti-gun groups to manage their gun grab program, and this against the interest of all their clients - pro-gun org and individual that put time and money to fight the IOC.
We have collectively millions of $ in our 1500 + IOC guns locked for 3 years in our gun safe. Gun they sold us- guns they made a profit on. They made record sales last year with the handgun freeze overpriced saga.
I have no sympathy for those business.
They can go bankrupt - perfect - other people and other ethic business will take over. There is no need for those business that are eating in the Liberals and anti-gun org hands. They betrayed all of us. They work with the Liberals. This cannot be denied.
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well look how many on cgn only are waiting to know how much they re getting back from the gvt for their now prohibited toys ...
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A response to some of various arguments made on this thread and others:
#1) “The CSAAA is helping the Liberals take MY guns away!”
The CSAAA did not negotiate to help confiscate guns from of individuals, they negotiated on behalf of businesses so that if the buyback program did go ahead they would receive a proper market value, rather than whatever the liberals dream up.
#2) “Why don’t they just send them back to the USA?”
A majority of firearms once exported out of the USA cannot be returned to be resold. This is due to US export regulations.
#3) “They shouldn’t have brought so many guns in just to be stuck with them.”
I can assure you that we did not bring in more guns than there was demand for. In fact our backorder lists indicate quite the opposite, we couldn’t bring enough in fast enough to keep them on the shelf most of the time!
#4) “They are just greedy and don’t care about the rest of us!”
That is simply an untrue statement (and an ad hominem assumption of motive). Our goal is to get as many guns into as many law abiding Canadians hands as possible. To do this to the best of our ability the business must be profitable. Yes there is money being made as this is a business. That money is being used to buy more inventory (more guns for the Canadian public), keep people gainfully employed and able to support their families, keep the lights on, and lobby for firearms rights.
#5) “You should never surrender your guns or cooperate in any way”
With this statement I can empathize. Every man or woman must have a line in the sand that they draw and say “enough is enough”. A proverbial Alamo if you will. Everyone’s life is different, and they have different priorities and responsibilities pulling them in different directions. The line in the sand for a single man living on his own might be different than the man who has a wife and kids he needs to care for, even if they 100% share all the same values. Drawing a line in the sand over your own ability to use and keep your own personal individual pieces property, is something I do respect. However are you willing to extend that line in the sand to include a business? There are implications to what I’m saying here that I’m going to avoid stating plainly.
So the choices becomes simple, do you:
A) Do everything you can to continue the business cycle as outlined above and get as many guns into Canadian hands as possible, and recoup costs incurred from frozen inventory as best you can.
B) Sit on the dead inventory out of principle and do your best to continue doing business despite the losses (if your business is able get past the financial detriment, not all can).
In my opinion I wouldn’t think any less of a business owner for take either of these options. Only they have the complete picture and the answers to all the variables with which to make an informed decision. I don’t think our first reaction should be to grab pitch forks and torches.
#1) “The CSAAA is helping the Liberals take MY guns away!”
The CSAAA did not negotiate to help confiscate guns from of individuals, they negotiated on behalf of businesses so that if the buyback program did go ahead they would receive a proper market value, rather than whatever the liberals dream up.
#2) “Why don’t they just send them back to the USA?”
A majority of firearms once exported out of the USA cannot be returned to be resold. This is due to US export regulations.
#3) “They shouldn’t have brought so many guns in just to be stuck with them.”
I can assure you that we did not bring in more guns than there was demand for. In fact our backorder lists indicate quite the opposite, we couldn’t bring enough in fast enough to keep them on the shelf most of the time!
#4) “They are just greedy and don’t care about the rest of us!”
That is simply an untrue statement (and an ad hominem assumption of motive). Our goal is to get as many guns into as many law abiding Canadians hands as possible. To do this to the best of our ability the business must be profitable. Yes there is money being made as this is a business. That money is being used to buy more inventory (more guns for the Canadian public), keep people gainfully employed and able to support their families, keep the lights on, and lobby for firearms rights.
#5) “You should never surrender your guns or cooperate in any way”
With this statement I can empathize. Every man or woman must have a line in the sand that they draw and say “enough is enough”. A proverbial Alamo if you will. Everyone’s life is different, and they have different priorities and responsibilities pulling them in different directions. The line in the sand for a single man living on his own might be different than the man who has a wife and kids he needs to care for, even if they 100% share all the same values. Drawing a line in the sand over your own ability to use and keep your own personal individual pieces property, is something I do respect. However are you willing to extend that line in the sand to include a business? There are implications to what I’m saying here that I’m going to avoid stating plainly.
So the choices becomes simple, do you:
A) Do everything you can to continue the business cycle as outlined above and get as many guns into Canadian hands as possible, and recoup costs incurred from frozen inventory as best you can.
B) Sit on the dead inventory out of principle and do your best to continue doing business despite the losses (if your business is able get past the financial detriment, not all can).
In my opinion I wouldn’t think any less of a business owner for take either of these options. Only they have the complete picture and the answers to all the variables with which to make an informed decision. I don’t think our first reaction should be to grab pitch forks and torches.
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