Laser Devices Inc DBAL-I2 Aiming Laser

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We have confirmation on an order of Laser Devices DBAL-I2 weapons aiming lasers, these are being imported by the Canadian distributor and have full warranty support. They will consist of a laser aiming unit that has the following, dual laser aiming modules - one laser will be red & the other is green, they do not have the IR function. The Laser Devices DBAL-I2 have factory QD levers, and will be available in black & flat dark earth.Those interested can pre-order them without deposit, they will be retailing for $1285.00 plus tax & shipping.
 
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To be fair to Target Sports, there aren't many green visible laser options out there. Well, any, really. The Viridian ones are primarily for handgun (though the universal ones will fit on a long gun, they look very strange, and do not appear to be optimized for that platform in terms of ergonomics).

I never begrudge a retailer selling a product for $XX amount, because they're free to determine their costs, etc. If people don't like it, they don't have to buy it.

What is frustrating is that in the case the benefits of the green vis laser don't seem to outweigh the costs. (For me, anyway). I'm sure that Target Sports didn't just pull the number from thin air.

However.

Given that a functional IR/Green vis unit costs ~ $900 is the States, I'm personally not interested in buying a neutered vis only option (1/2 the functionality) for $400 more.

As far as no IR, I believe the problem lies (again) with the US DoS and export controls. There are a lot of exemptions for LE and MIL use with this particular unit, but apparently not so much (even with export certs, it would seem) for civ users.

It's really too bad. I've played with the real units before, and they are definately very cool. The green vis laser is very bright, and much more easily seen than a red one. The IR is awesome too, though obviously only if you have the NODs to play with.

The most frustrating thing about ITAR is how it seems to be arbitrary in so many regards. I can understand exports on a lot of controlled goods, but these units are completely non-controlled in the States.

If people are interested and willing to pay the extra money for a green vis laser, more power to 'em. It just sucks that the compromises (and high cost as a result) had to be made.
 
This stuff is not your ###-ass NcStar variety garbage people. The pros and people that know quality #### buy this sort of gear. The price is normal (too bad no ir. I would be jumping on it too).
 
rivetc78 said:
The Pros?? LOL The Pros would be paying $700 like they are in the U.S. Not $1300
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We due that on everything American or European, why would this be any different.??


http://www.tnvc.com/shop/ldi-dbal-i2-class-1-ir-laser/

$741.00 — $896.00 + Tax's and shipping of course...according to their own website.

Great piece of kit, price sucks with all things considered but there is now around that, dealer has to make something. If you got the coin then it is great!
 
I'm a bit confused from the after post #4 from Target Sports. Maybe they can confirm some things:

Why include the picture of the OTAL-A and ITAL-A? I note that these units (which are more heavily controlled in their original form, in the US at least) have an "or" clause, which states they have either the visible laser, or the IR.

Is the model being brought in actually a modified OTAL (or ITAL)? Modified as in the lower powered green visible laser?

If not, with the DBAL-I2, I presume that the IR "guts" are removed, and that is where the second laser that the original post mentioned (being both red and green) is mounted?
Does this mean it is still the DBAL-I2 housing, with just different internals?

Who is doing the modifications? Is the unit modified by LDI at the factory, or after the fact by the Canadian distributor?

Finally, are you willing to entertain looking into the export permits required for the full IR version? I've been lead to believe (by the US DoS, no less) that it should be possible.
 
Leibermuster said:
We due that on everything American or European, why would this be any different.??


http://www.tnvc.com/shop/ldi-dbal-i2-class-1-ir-laser/

$741.00 — $896.00 + Tax's and shipping of course...according to their own website.

Great piece of kit, price sucks with all things considered but there is now around that, dealer has to make something. If you got the coin then it is great!
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$700 is for a unit WITH IR functions. Take out the most important part....then what is it worth? $350? $450
 
rivetc78 said:
$700 is for a unit WITH IR functions. Take out the most important part....then what is it worth? $350? $450
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Yeah you are right, I just noticed that in the initial thread...Without the IR function that is a no buy for me if I were in the market again.
 
BMDKitchener said:
I'm a bit confused from the after post #4 from Target Sports. Maybe they can confirm some things:

Why include the picture of the OTAL-A and ITAL-A? I note that these units (which are more heavily controlled in their original form, in the US at least) have an "or" clause, which states they have either the visible laser, or the IR.

Is the model being brought in actually a modified OTAL (or ITAL)? Modified as in the lower powered green visible laser?

If not, with the DBAL-I2, I presume that the IR "guts" are removed, and that is where the second laser that the original post mentioned (being both red and green) is mounted?
Does this mean it is still the DBAL-I2 housing, with just different internals?

Who is doing the modifications? Is the unit modified by LDI at the factory, or after the fact by the Canadian distributor?

Finally, are you willing to entertain looking into the export permits required for the full IR version? I've been lead to believe (by the US DoS, no less) that it should be possible.
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The units we are selling are assembled as complete units by the factory, currently we are not in a position to offer the IR units, we spoke to the distributor and made it clear that no IR units are currently available for commercial sales, while exemptions due exist for LE/MIL under ITAR - they are only for organizations and not individuals who work for the agencies - unless the authorizing person or persons are willing to sign off for you. OTAL & ITAL units will also be available but strictly in visible laser configurations, if anything changes we will advise all who are interested.
 
Thanks for the response. Clears up my questions.

While I would still prefer the IR model, for those that are on the fence with these, I have to say the green visible laser is very cool. Super bright, even in the middle of the day, and are a lot of fun on the range (which is what we'd all be using this version of the DBAL for anyway!)
 
BMDKitchener said:
Thanks for the response. Clears up my questions.

While I would still prefer the IR model, for those that are on the fence with these, I have to say the green visible laser is very cool. Super bright, even in the middle of the day, and are a lot of fun on the range (which is what we'd all be using this version of the DBAL for anyway!)
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Not entirely true, for most people the lack of IR function is a deal breaker. Many Canadians are starting to pick up Gen3 NVG's whether passive or active for professional (training) and hobby purposes. Because "owning the night" is just damn cool.
 
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