bulldog284
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barry
i was talking to my boss and it is starting to look good.
i was talking to my boss and it is starting to look good.
1 MOA Challenge 2011
- Thread starter maynard
- Start date
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
Very nice Steve. Did you have anyway to see your hits?
Wireless camera would be a HUGE aid as you can adjust for windage. Otherwise for shooting blind, that is amazing.
Yes, flags are critical to your success. I put one about 20yds in front of me, 1 halfway, then one at the target. View mirage along the way.
A higher BC match bullet will make your life SOOOO much easier.
Jerry
Wireless camera would be a HUGE aid as you can adjust for windage. Otherwise for shooting blind, that is amazing.
Yes, flags are critical to your success. I put one about 20yds in front of me, 1 halfway, then one at the target. View mirage along the way.
A higher BC match bullet will make your life SOOOO much easier.
Jerry
Trevor your welcome anytime just PM Me or Barry
Good thing you started Maynard hope you get a great turn out, and maybe some other clubs will jump in as well. There are lots of factory guns capable of keeping 10 shots in 1 moa at 300. I think where you will be pretty safe not having to pay out to much is the wind factor which most shooters will not read. and the fellows shooting 6br with 68gr bullets & the 224 shooting 50 to 55gr bullets.
here is a target shot with a factory Rem 700 XCR 1/9 twist 69 gr sierras & RL15
here is a target shot with a factory Rem 700 XCR 1/9 twist 69 gr sierras & RL15
Thanks Jerry.
At about 300m, maybe 350m, I can still see the hits through the scope providing they print on the white and the mirage isn't bad. I picked up some target 22lr ammo yesterday so I can practice my wind reading at 100m before I try again as I seem to have lost some of that skill over the winter.
Haven't decided on the bullet yet but it'll probably be either 55/60 vmax pushed with benchmark or 69 sierra match with varget.
Steve
wapitiwhacker
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- East Kootenay B.C.
My vote would go to the 69 gr SMK over Varget. They work well in a Remington SPS Tactical out to 3-400 yds. They get pushed around a fair bit farther out, but that has probably more to do with the driver than anything else
This is doable, and I would encourage anyone that is F Class/ TR curious to take up the challange. The amount of knowledge you could gain in just one day would easily be worth the 75 bucks. If you win the challange, it would just be icing on the cake, and a feather in your cap. I too would be all in if it wasn't at the other end of the country.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
ww, nice shooting. Love the lack of vertical. You got your load dialed in.
I assume your final shot was a pinwheel V bull
The left and right....well, we really never get that figured out
Steve, definitely go with the heaviest/highest BC bullets you can launch. 69gr MK, 68gr Hrn BTHP, 70gr Berger VLD will all work.
75gr Amax and Berger VLD may work - just depends on how "9" your 9 twist really is.
BC is worth several points just because it makes the shot so much more forgiving.
Jerry
I assume your final shot was a pinwheel V bull
The left and right....well, we really never get that figured out
Steve, definitely go with the heaviest/highest BC bullets you can launch. 69gr MK, 68gr Hrn BTHP, 70gr Berger VLD will all work.
75gr Amax and Berger VLD may work - just depends on how "9" your 9 twist really is.
BC is worth several points just because it makes the shot so much more forgiving.
Jerry
My barrel seems a bit slower than a 9 as it consistantly puts 69 smk / 75 amax at 1 to 1.2 MOA and rarely better. It likes almost everything 60 grains and below, well other than SPSX bullets.
Got out for a quick shoot today spending most of my time with the 22lr @ 100m learning the wind somewhat. The range, aka gravel pit, has some weird wind "funnels" due to the hills and breaks in the trees. I did a few 5 shot groups @ 300m with the 223 and 55 vmax, two loads show promise and I think my wind reading is getting better.
If the weekend is nice I'll try those two bottom target loads for the 10 shot MOA circle.
Steve
Got out for a quick shoot today spending most of my time with the 22lr @ 100m learning the wind somewhat. The range, aka gravel pit
, has some weird wind "funnels" due to the hills and breaks in the trees. I did a few 5 shot groups @ 300m with the 223 and 55 vmax, two loads show promise and I think my wind reading is getting better.
If the weekend is nice I'll try those two bottom target loads for the 10 shot MOA circle.
Steve
Yes, if they were centered it would have worked out well. That's the two parts that need to come together for the challenge, good grouping and on target. BTW, difference in the two lower groups is .015 back (right) vs .005 into the lands with 0.2gr less powder (left) and the scope was not adjusted.
Tomorrow is looking good for another attempt but the hardest thing is getting out there early enough before the wind comes up.
Steve
Tomorrow is looking good for another attempt but the hardest thing is getting out there early enough before the wind comes up.
Steve
It may have been 1/2 MOA for 5 shots (can't remember, I am getting too old) I didn't get too many bites. So I thought all these 1/4 MOA out of the box rifles, should surely be able to shoot 10 shots into 1 MOA.
Cedar Springs can be a very easy range some days or a little tricky if we get some fishtail winds.
Cedar Springs can be a very easy range some days or a little tricky if we get some fishtail winds.
My questions are:
- Is my Remington VTR allowed (built in muzzle brake)?
- Are the AICS stocks allowed?
Shooting 10 rounds in 1 MOA circle is way more that asking a rifle to shot 5 shots in a 1 MOA area...
A real 1/2 MOA rifle is probably needed to do this. (my rifle is really borderline here)
Alex
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AlexF,
Under rules #1 and #8 your rifle is not allowed.
ACIS stocks are not a factory option for Remington and muzzle brakes are not allowed under DCRA/ORA or ICFRA TR/F Class rules.
The reason behind the 10 shot group is because fullbore rifle matches here in Canada consist mainly of either 10 shot or 15 shots with a few exceptions. Letson Match, fired during the DCRA annual matches. 7 rounds each @ 300m, 500 yards and 600 yards. This is the same as the Queens Stage 1 in the UK.
So I am trying to follow the rules of fullbore matches as close as possible. However for this callenge I will allow string shooting instead of pair shooting, which is done alternate shots.
Under rules #1 and #8 your rifle is not allowed.
ACIS stocks are not a factory option for Remington and muzzle brakes are not allowed under DCRA/ORA or ICFRA TR/F Class rules.
The reason behind the 10 shot group is because fullbore rifle matches here in Canada consist mainly of either 10 shot or 15 shots with a few exceptions. Letson Match, fired during the DCRA annual matches. 7 rounds each @ 300m, 500 yards and 600 yards. This is the same as the Queens Stage 1 in the UK.
So I am trying to follow the rules of fullbore matches as close as possible. However for this callenge I will allow string shooting instead of pair shooting, which is done alternate shots.
Well, gave it another go this morning with not so good results and I've used up all my 5 chances now.
The mirage was so bad I rarely could make out where my shots were going and made some extra trips to the target to see where the sigthers went. My hat's off to you target guys that can shoot in these conditions, dealing with the wind alone is bad enough for me but add in some bad mirage and that's just evil. I'll be sticking to my evening shoots so I can keep focused on just wind issues and normal shooting skills for a while.
Even though the gun may shoot sub-moa you still need to read the conditions right to keep the 10 rounds on target or wait for a perfect day.
Steve
The mirage was so bad I rarely could make out where my shots were going and made some extra trips to the target to see where the sigthers went. My hat's off to you target guys that can shoot in these conditions, dealing with the wind alone is bad enough for me but add in some bad mirage and that's just evil. I'll be sticking to my evening shoots so I can keep focused on just wind issues and normal shooting skills for a while.
Even though the gun may shoot sub-moa you still need to read the conditions right to keep the 10 rounds on target or wait for a perfect day.
Steve
Well, gave it another go this morning with not so good results and I've used up all my 5 chances now.
The mirage was so bad I rarely could make out where my shots were going and made some extra trips to the target to see where the sigthers went. My hat's off to you target guys that can shoot in these conditions, dealing with the wind alone is bad enough for me but add in some bad mirage and that's just evil. I'll be sticking to my evening shoots so I can keep focused on just wind issues and normal shooting skills for a while.
Even though the gun may shoot sub-moa you still need to read the conditions right to keep the 10 rounds on target or wait for a perfect day.
Steve
Depending on the severity of the mirage it can also be used as a tool for reading what the wind is doing and even help your groups during a match.
1 moa at 300m
Well Maynard there is a few fellows from the Ottawa Valley say there going to take you up on your chalenge they did some fine shooting at 400 meters yesterday. A custom 223 edged them out on the shoot for the days shooting yesterday but only by a hair.
They want to throw back a chalenge to you, they will pay you $75 if you can beat there 5 shot groups at 300m and if you loose you only have to pay $40
you can use your TR gun with any power of scope you like only restriction on your custom is you can only use 155gr/30cal in your best TR rifle
as many time you want to shoot they will show up at your chalenge
Maynard you could make some serious coin here ?
Out of the box Rem 700
Factory out of box 6br Savage
Well Maynard there is a few fellows from the Ottawa Valley say there going to take you up on your chalenge they did some fine shooting at 400 meters yesterday. A custom 223 edged them out on the shoot for the days shooting yesterday but only by a hair.
They want to throw back a chalenge to you, they will pay you $75 if you can beat there 5 shot groups at 300m and if you loose you only have to pay $40
you can use your TR gun with any power of scope you like only restriction on your custom is you can only use 155gr/30cal in your best TR rifle
as many time you want to shoot they will show up at your chalenge
Maynard you could make some serious coin here ?
Out of the box Rem 700
Factory out of box 6br Savage
manitou210,
Since I only have iron sights on my TR and shoot off my elbows with a jacket and sling, I am willing to take up their challenge if they shoot the same way. My iron sights against their scoped rifles but they can't use a rest and it has to be 2 sighters and 10 shots for score. That would be a fair challenge if the money was even and all profits go toward either the DCRA, ORA or local club.
I will be in Ottawa in Aug for the DCRA Canadian Fullbore Championships. I am sure we could arrange some range time then.
Please remember that for my challenge, if they win, I pay their daily fees to the ORA out of my pocket. If they lose, they pay their own daily fees to the ORA. I don't make any money out of this.
Cheers
Tom
Since I only have iron sights on my TR and shoot off my elbows with a jacket and sling, I am willing to take up their challenge if they shoot the same way. My iron sights against their scoped rifles but they can't use a rest and it has to be 2 sighters and 10 shots for score. That would be a fair challenge if the money was even and all profits go toward either the DCRA, ORA or local club.
I will be in Ottawa in Aug for the DCRA Canadian Fullbore Championships. I am sure we could arrange some range time then.
Please remember that for my challenge, if they win, I pay their daily fees to the ORA out of my pocket. If they lose, they pay their own daily fees to the ORA. I don't make any money out of this.
Cheers
Tom
punkrockboy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Eastern Bantario!
This group was fired at Eganville today, witnesses by K1ngC from cgn.This is at 400 Meters.
I actually had 2 similar 10 shot groups on sunday witnessed by Petrak but forgot the targets at the range.
The hole with the X in marker around it is actually 2 rounds.
The target was just a black x made of electrical tape which I removed.
The groups were fired from prone off of the concrete pad with a rear bag.
The gun is a savage F/tr 308. The only thing done was a bedding job by MysticPlayer ( thank you Jerry)
This gun is definitely a consistant sub - MOA gun.
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I actually had 2 similar 10 shot groups on sunday witnessed by Petrak but forgot the targets at the range.
The hole with the X in marker around it is actually 2 rounds.
The target was just a black x made of electrical tape which I removed.
The groups were fired from prone off of the concrete pad with a rear bag.
The gun is a savage F/tr 308. The only thing done was a bedding job by MysticPlayer ( thank you Jerry)
This gun is definitely a consistant sub - MOA gun.
