1 shot kill?

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Hi all,

Over the years, I had the oportunity of shooting at lots of deer and 2 mooses. I am proud to say that most of them didn't needed the following shot and "dropped on their tracks" :cool:, I had at one instance lost a deer because we didn't recover him even if he was hit twice and twice he went down :( .

So talking about big game falling where they stood was for me, something that most successfull hunters had the chance to experience and that it was normal. In the past couple of years, altough I had my big game well positionned for a shot in the vitals, they reacted like if the shot was not deadly and on 2 instances, didn't budge at all even deadly hit.

My last moose took off after the second shot in the rib cage (45ft away) and dropped at roughly 75-100yds away (when recovered, half the heart and the whole liver were gone), and my last deer, with a 3" hole trough her thorax still managed to slowly run a good 50yds.

It now looks like I was REALLY lucky that so many of them "dropped on the spot" . Beside that deer I didn't recovered, none needed 2 shot but in my last couple, it took 3 on a cow moose (2003), 2 on my deer (2004), 3 on bull moose (2006) and 2 on deer (2006), what's happenning with me, I don't know :confused: all shots were in the vitals.

Now that I think of it, most of the ones that dropped, were hit in or close to either the spine, the shoulder or the head and were not the result of an accurate shot as I always hit for the vitals and not the shoulder or spine.

How about you guys... do they mostly drop on the spot or you need to track them blood trail do find and finish them?
 
My experience is that they run at the shot... But... Not very far... I ALWAYS aim behind the shoulder in the lung/heart region... I don't want to ruin any meat...

Cheers
Jay
 
I never try the spine shot, it has happened, but top of the heart with body position taken into account not to tear into the far shoulder is always a concern. The perfect shot for me is a pass through taking out the heart and lungs. The animal always kicks , and travels a short distance.
One of the most memorable was a broadside at 200 meters, split the heart in 2 , and part of the lung hung out the off side (exit). No meat loss, and buck traveled 30 feet, a blood trail a blind fella could follow. :cool:
 
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Jay said:
My experience is that they run at the shot... But... Not very far... I ALWAYS aim behind the shoulder in the lung/heart region... I don't want to ruin any meat...

Cheers
Jay
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The bullet hits them before they hear the shot though...

I think they run when you punch their lungs through their ribcage...
 
An engine without oil pressure will run for a little while, but it is 100% fatal. Same with a good heart/lung shot. And it's a big target. What's 50 yards?
 
44fordy said:
The bullet hits them before they hear the shot though...

I think they run when you punch their lungs through their ribcage...
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Your right 44fordy, I ment "when they are shot..."

Cheers
Jay
 
grouseman said:
In Order To Drop One, you need to hit the spine...thats all

it has nothing to do with purposely dropping it.

I look at it as you were high insted of on target
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wow, have one-shot-dropped (where they stood) about a half dozen head of game, only two a spinal. :rolleyes: spine helps, but a good solid hit in the vitals can have the same effect.
 
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grouseman said:
In Order To Drop One, you need to hit the spine...thats all

it has nothing to do with purposely dropping it.

I look at it as you were high insted of on target
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I agree with you on a couple of them that "dropped" :D but I had some that were hit broadside in the vitals and stayed there while others (especially heart shots) jump, kick and take a straight run full power to the thrusters :) while lungs shots, they (the deer I shot) usually took a slow run for cover, tail down.

My bull moose didn't budge until only after the second shot in the boiler at 45ft and the 3th shot hit just below the hump and part of the low spine, he stopped running, turned broadside and looked at me, he was then already at 200ft away, :eek: he had no more liver and half the heart gone still going :eek: tough stuff .

3 yrs ago, a cow moose stood at +-800ft from my stand, shot her twice, she dropped twice :D :eek:

A deadly shot doesn't mean they will drop, true ;) .

My moose hunting partner, they will aim for the shoulder to put them down but I still prefer to aim for the lungs/heart shot. It's nice when they stay on the spot :cool: but not always happenning or possible. A shoulder is lost meat for me and I try to avoid it as much as possible when taking the shot.
 
when you shoot your moose, and you know the first shot is a good one, just sit back. try to avoid that second shot. stay still, quiet and watch. I;ve found it's the second shot that makes them run. if you're patient, bullwinkle will just stand there, get a goofy look on his face, and eventually tip over.
 
Have had many drop in tracks.Also have had many run a short distance with the same type of hit.Makes a fella wonder.

The last two deer I got with a rifle showed no sighn at all of being hit.Ran away tail up and all.One heart shot and the other double lung.I dont ever remember any deer before running with tail up after being hit.

Stay away from that Motorhead BARTELL it will rot your brain.
 
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Amphibious said:
when you shoot your moose, and you know the first shot is a good one, just sit back. try to avoid that second shot. stay still, quiet and watch. I;ve found it's the second shot that makes them run. if you're patient, bullwinkle will just stand there, get a goofy look on his face, and eventually tip over.
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Good point but at the moment, I wasn't sure as if it was a hit or not, I looked at the rifle :confused: and cranked another one immediately, he was dead after the first shot but he and I didn't know that yet :eek: :D
 
Shoot until they fall down. I know a fellow that shot a nice bull at 75 yards and it fell down and got up and walked around for a couple of minutes and he didn't shoot it again because he was confident he had made a good shot. The bull finally hobbled into the bush and they waited an hour before going into get him. They looked for him for 2 days and never found him.

If you want a bangflop, you need to use a good bullet like a Barnes X triple shock and break both front shoulders. Make sure you're using a big enough rifle too (.35 Whelen).
 
I had the pleasure of bang-flops so far, but I think if the adrenaline kicks in before the will to live vanishes.... you're in for some tracking if you didn't hit the CNS. It all depends of where you hit, and if the hit was bad... well, like Todbartell said... bigger is better
 
Slooshark1 said:
If you want a bangflop, you need to use a good bullet like a Barnes X triple shock and break both front shoulders. Make sure you're using a big enough rifle too (.35 Whelen).
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bull#### :) any bullet has the ability to create a bang-flop. the 1970's vintage Imperial ammo (160gr RN @ 2300fps MV) I shot my moose with last year created a bang-flop. guess the bullet thought it was an X ? shot a bear with the same ammo a few months prior, he went 10yrds....

I have NEVER shot for front shoulders (I like my meat un-bloodshot) and have had more then a couple bang-flops. breaking shoulders (when you are given a shot where you don't have to) does nothing but waste meat on non-dangerous game.


good thread. lots of myths to be dispelled here.
 
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Amphibious said:
bulls**t :) any bullet has the ability to create a bang-flop. the 1970's vintage Imperial ammo (160gr RN @ 2300fps MV) I shot my moose with last year created a bang-flop. guess the bullet thought it was an X ? shot a bear with the same ammo a few months prior, he went 10yrds....

I have NEVER shot for front shoulders (I like my meat un-bloodshot) and have had more then a couple bang-flops. breaking shoulders (when you are given a shot where you don't have to) does nothing but waste meat on non-dangerous game.


good thread. lots of myths to be dispelled here.
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i agree,the only time i would shoot anything through both front shoulders would be like the grizzly charge in the cabelas video.a moose is a big animal and not too hard to find when dead if you had a good boilerroom shot
 
Two whitetail spike bucks down in the last two days, both shot at roughly 150 yards (155, and 147), both boiler room hits, one took out a lung, the other took out the heart and part of a lung, both instant 'lights out' drops.

For some reason their tails both twitched like crazy, right after dropping. No other movement tho; eyes glazed over at the shot.

God I love hunting season...
 
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