Just wondering what your most reliable combination is for your Ruger 10/22; ammo, mags, extractor, recoil spring etc.. To get the rifle as close to 100% you can. I have an SR22 that I I'll be using for mini rifle matches. Look forward to your input. Thanks!
10/22 for action shooting
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elimsprint
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Lucky you, mini rifle matches. I wish somebody put them on here. What are the courses of fire like? Long range, short range? How many rounds per stage?
I don't have an SR but I do own 3 10/22's at the moment and I have found that they all digest AutoMatch ammo very well, not super accurate but acceptable. I believe Butler Creek Steel Lips to be the most reliable high cap mags, at least in my guns but they do usually need some breaking in. I'm not a big fan of aftermarket extractors, I just reshape the stock ones and have never had a problem as long as the extractor groove/spring channel is kept clean. I use Rimfire Technologies charging handles and recoil springs/guide rods but even the stock ones work OK IMO.
I'm building some targets for Steel Challenge matches in the spring but of course with those matches you need 10 rounds or less so no need for high-cap mags or a scope, I think 37yds max so a red-dot or open sights are fine.
My local club has several shooters starting to take an interest in rimfire rifle and we have had a few steel challenge type matches and a few matches using IPSC targets and plates. We have had a few 2 gun matches and we have used our .22's for the rifle portion. We have been shooting mostly between 10-45/50m and by adding awkward positions you can make a 50m shot a challenge with some creativity. Courses range from 5 to 40 rounds. By offering some matches using rimfire rifles we have increased activity in the club and have several shooters wanting to pursue their black badge course and participate in not only IPSC pistol, but rifle and mini rifle. This is the first time I have been offered condolences for owning an SR22. I enjoy it, it works well, I'm just looking to improve reliability is all. Elimsprint, could you describe what you do to your extractors? Thanks again. Cheers.
elimsprint
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I just file an ever so small hook in them, just change the 90deg angle to say a 100deg angle on the hook that holds the brass in place. I hope that makes sense to you
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elimsprint
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little_asswolf,
CZ has a semi auto that is easily modifiable with 1000's of parts available and has a huge selection of high cap mags that would be suitable for mini rifle? Do tell. You think maybe the OP asked your advice on what gun to buy for mini rifle matches because he didn't already own an SR? Or maybe what to do with the gun he already owns to make it more reliable? I fail to understand the relevance of your post.
Lol
The point Im making is thus
1- as you know anyone who shoots enoughknows that what one gun likes and is set up, might be utter crap in another.
No one else is pointing this fact out!
2- the sr is a overpriced ruger. He'd be better off selling the gun and starting off right.
If hes doing matchs @ ranges then why not a proper AR platform and not a crappy clone?
Guess what I should have said from the start is, go to a match and see what everyone else is using. Ive seen far too many people drop $1k-$2k on an SR just to make then gun shoot ok.
Call me names, but atleast Im honest.
1- as you know anyone who shoots enoughknows that what one gun likes and is set up, might be utter crap in another.
No one else is pointing this fact out!
2- the sr is a overpriced ruger. He'd be better off selling the gun and starting off right.
If hes doing matchs @ ranges then why not a proper AR platform and not a crappy clone?
Guess what I should have said from the start is, go to a match and see what everyone else is using. Ive seen far too many people drop $1k-$2k on an SR just to make then gun shoot ok.
Call me names, but atleast Im honest.
elimsprint
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The point I'm making is
1- He's just asking for suggestions
2- He already owns the SR of which I have seen and heard of many more reliable ones that duds. He should sell it for a loss and buy a questionably better plus restricted 15-22 because you don't like SR's?
3- He already owns an SR, a good if not perfect platform for the matches he is entering
4- AR is not CZ which is what you suggested
1- He's just asking for suggestions
2- He already owns the SR of which I have seen and heard of many more reliable ones that duds. He should sell it for a loss and buy a questionably better plus restricted 15-22 because you don't like SR's?
3- He already owns an SR, a good if not perfect platform for the matches he is entering
4- AR is not CZ which is what you suggested
Yep dont like the sr for one simple fact, its over priced!
I like the fact that you skipped the most usefull tip I gave.
Go and see what others are using. My guess is hardly anyone will be using an sr22. The few matches Ive been to in texas, everyone had .22 ARs or the 15-22.
Im guessing you dont know if the CZ 512 tactical.
Its cheaper than the SR!
Its one thing to make comments about me, another to make comments you clearly know nothing about.
Sure he can add a new barrel, extractor, upgrade the bolt.
When hes finished, he could have bought 2 rifles for the price of one upgraded SR.
I like the fact that you skipped the most usefull tip I gave.
Go and see what others are using. My guess is hardly anyone will be using an sr22. The few matches Ive been to in texas, everyone had .22 ARs or the 15-22.
Im guessing you dont know if the CZ 512 tactical.
Its cheaper than the SR!
Its one thing to make comments about me, another to make comments you clearly know nothing about.
Sure he can add a new barrel, extractor, upgrade the bolt.
When hes finished, he could have bought 2 rifles for the price of one upgraded SR.
elimsprint
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Who cares if it is overpriced, HE ALREADY OWNS IT! So as usual you have missed the point altogether.
I didn't see any useful answer to the OP's question in any of your posts, as usual.
AR-22's aren't restricted in the US and maybe he wants to use it somewhere other than just ranges.
All the CZ 512's I've seen cost basically just as much as an SR and gee 25 round mags are only $50 each or a 10 round for $40. And wait for it, HE ALREADY OWNS AN SR!
Why a new barrel? Every SR I've seen shot just fine with the stock one. An extractor, if needed, is $12 and radiusing the bolt is free to anyone with even the slightest handyman skills.
I don't really need to make comments about you, your posts say it all. I just like pointing it out.
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I bought my SR quite some time ago, just starting to use it more now. It is the bull barrel version that isn't threaded at the muzzle. In all honesty, the 10/22 platform has a good reputation for reliability so why wouldn't I give one a try, plus it isn't restricted. And as far as going to the range and see what everyone else is using well, I guess I'm the one trying to set the trend here and am the one advocating rimfire shooting so I am at a loss there. If I had mentioned it was a 10/22 and not an SR my question would have lead to clearer discussion. Elimsprint, what I really am asking is there a bulk ammo, extractor and magazine combination that will help my 10/22run more efficiently. I have upgraded to a power custom extractor, volquartsen trigger, hammer etc... and have both factory mags and steel lips BC mags. I run the action relatively dry, is there a preferable lube to use? I have not changed the recoil spring and am wondering if a lighter spring will help the gun cycle more reliably. I notice I have more jams and stove pipes in cold weather where I assume the powder used in some of the .22 ammo is temperature sensitive. Thanks for your replies.
elimsprint
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I'm with you fully in regards to 10/22's, any version.
I like the Federal Auto Match or American Eagle 40gr solid for bulk reliability. Maybe not the most accurate but not bad in every rifle I have tried it in.
I asked about how many rounds per stage to see if you did need large cap mags but IMO BC Steel Lips work the best in most guns. I have a couple of TI polymers that I hardly ever use and have tried most of the others.
You seem to have all the mods done but you don't mention bolt radiusing which is a fairly easy operation and really, really helps in reliability. There are a bunch of how-to youtube videos about it. Also not mentioned is a bolt buffer but I'll assume you have one.
I don't really know a lot about different springs/guide rods other than the Rimfire Technologies ones I use which seem quite close to the stock ones and work great. I only replaced the stock ones because the new ones came with the bolt handles I bought.
I usually just put a couple of drops of whatever gun oil I have on hand on the guide rod after a good cleaning and a quick spray of Silicone Lube (yellow can @Princess Auto) in the action before shooting and that seems to keep mine running just fine.
Funny you should mention the cold. I just noticed that some ammo (Federal 40gn SV) that had sat up cold-soaking in the unheated shop shot over 1" lower and with way less felt power than the exact same ammo that had just come up from the house at room temperature. I didn't run it over the chrono but I could feel/hear the difference and see it on the target.
Don't forget that the lube on your gun is getting thicker and loosing lubricity in the cold also, I don't think the silicone is affected as much but that is just a guess on my part.
I like the Federal Auto Match or American Eagle 40gr solid for bulk reliability. Maybe not the most accurate but not bad in every rifle I have tried it in.
I asked about how many rounds per stage to see if you did need large cap mags but IMO BC Steel Lips work the best in most guns. I have a couple of TI polymers that I hardly ever use and have tried most of the others.
You seem to have all the mods done but you don't mention bolt radiusing which is a fairly easy operation and really, really helps in reliability. There are a bunch of how-to youtube videos about it. Also not mentioned is a bolt buffer but I'll assume you have one.
I don't really know a lot about different springs/guide rods other than the Rimfire Technologies ones I use which seem quite close to the stock ones and work great. I only replaced the stock ones because the new ones came with the bolt handles I bought.
I usually just put a couple of drops of whatever gun oil I have on hand on the guide rod after a good cleaning and a quick spray of Silicone Lube (yellow can @Princess Auto) in the action before shooting and that seems to keep mine running just fine.
Funny you should mention the cold. I just noticed that some ammo (Federal 40gn SV) that had sat up cold-soaking in the unheated shop shot over 1" lower and with way less felt power than the exact same ammo that had just come up from the house at room temperature. I didn't run it over the chrono but I could feel/hear the difference and see it on the target.
Don't forget that the lube on your gun is getting thicker and loosing lubricity in the cold also, I don't think the silicone is affected as much but that is just a guess on my part.
Rod B
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Nothing wrong with the 10/22. Keep it clean & use a dry lube( I like Liquid Wrench Dry Lube available at auto parts stores & CTC), change the extractor only if required. I would also experiment with different brands of ammo. Both of my rifles like SK Standard +.
Regarding the recoil spring, I have had good luck with the Kidd charging handle & guide rod with the three spring assortment.
Hope this helps answer your questions.
BTW. I agree with Elimsprint, ignore the negative posts, there are some on here that find fault with anything.
Thanks for all of the replies fellows. I am running a bolt buffer but the radiusing of the bolt is something new to me. I will definitely try looking at some YouTube videos to learn more about it. It really helps increase reliability? I have been shooting Remington bulk bucket ammo and American Eagle 40gr lead mostly. Our last shoot we had me and a few friends were all shooting Rugers with the bulk bucket ammo and all guns choked regularly. Reliability with AE was pretty good. We shoot both steel challenge type stages, and IPSC type stages as well with 40 rounds being the highest round count to date. I've got the same butt, for end and grip on my AR which makes shooting the a Ruger a nice rifle to practice with as the feelings are very comparable. I appreciate the advice, I think I'm going to order a Dlask charging handle and spring set. Is it fair to say I should be ok with the steel lip mags? Some say they work fine, and others say the opposite. Cheers!
elimsprint
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I feel the bolt radius is one of the best mods you can do to your gun. Way smoother cycling which equates to way better reliability. I have only bought the Rem bucket stuff once and found it to be crap in my guns thus the only buying it once. I personally feel the Steel Lips to be the consistently best, most reliable high cap mag available in Canada.
