10 round AR mags... Why not Kel Tec PLR mags??

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I wonder, why aren't there any 10 round Kel Tec PLR magazines being brought up here?

Is it because PLR magazines are "made for both the rifle and the pistol," and thus pinned to 5 rounds as per the RCMP memo concerning the matter? If that is that case, and PLR magazines are deemed "made for both rifle and pistol," perhaps there is another solution...

Kel Tec seems eager to please us canucks, communicating well with importers and suppliers from what I've heard. Perhaps this good standing relationship could be exploited further.

What if keltec were to manufacture (or put an order in with their American magazine manufacturers for), 10 round PLR-16 pistol magazines, "made specifically for the PLR pistol".

It's a sin that more 10 rounders aren't available up here when we have that loophole. It's just a good healthy way for us Canadians to kick the CFC in the nuts with our 10 rounders....

Hell, come to think of it, I'm sure there's a good made in Canad business solution to be had here.... How hard is it to fab up some LAR magazines? Or even some Remington 7600 magazines with unlimited capacity? Just stamp into them "made for the Remington 7600 pump action rifle".

Of course, there are big legal issues here... I'm just trying to raise the question....

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Well, in this case, the law is pretty simple.
A) Rifles have a magazine capacity limit of 5 rounds.
B) Pistols have a magazine capacity limit of 10 rounds.
C) The limit concerning a given magazine is determined by the firearm for which it was originally designed.
D) The LAR-15 is a pistol which accepts AR magazines.
E) As a pistol, the LAR-15's magazines are limited to a 10 round capacity.
F) LAR-15 magazines are compatible with the AR-15 platform.
G) LAR-15 magazines, with a capacity of 10 rounds, may be used in an AR-15 legally because the magazines were designed for the LAR-15 pistol.

I'm not really asking for a clarification on the law. I'm asking why we are relying on one or two suppliers for the 10 round mags we love. Are other sources being looked into, I wonder?

So, what I'm suggesting is that instead of only relying on the LAR-15 pistol to supply us with "loopholed" 10 round magazines, lets think about bringing the Kel Tec PLR-16 into the fold as well. Kel Tec, or their magazine suppliers, could design LAR-15 magazines for us, or PLR-15 magazines.

I don't know why magpul isn't all over this. I know we're a small market, but they have all the machines set up. And they need to make 10 rounders for California, IIRC... So, stamp 1000 magazines as PLR-16 mags or as LAR-15 mags, pin em to ten and send em up!
 
Simply: it seems like a company need to sell the pistols in Canada to be able to sell its pistols magazines.
Robinson Arms is now selling pistol in Canada and will be able to sell 10 rounds pistol magazines for 223, 6.8SPC and 7.62x39.
I might buy a 6.8SPC conversion kit for my rifle...

It seems that selling pistols magically make the pistol magazines legal!

Alex
 
Actually if you read the act it does not limit rifles or pistols, it limits magazines for guns that are commonly available in Canada.
So, yes they need to be sold here.
 
cie said:
Actually if you read the act it does not limit rifles or pistols, it limits magazines for guns that are commonly available in Canada.
So, yes they need to be sold here.
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Yet, the Lar-15 has been accepted by the RCMP as a "pistol which is readily available in Canada"...

So, I'd still like to see some Pmag lar-15 mags here, or some other ar mag manufacturer...
 
greg11 said:
I wonder, why aren't there any 10 round Kel Tec PLR magazines being brought up here?
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Because PLR mags have a rib on the side that means they won't fit an AR-15 magwell.

The converse does, however, work. An AR-15 mag fits a PLR magwell.

PLR mag:
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greg11 said:
Yet, the Lar-15 has been accepted by the RCMP as a "pistol which is readily available in Canada"...

So, I'd still like to see some Pmag lar-15 mags here, or some other ar mag manufacturer...
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I'd love to see HK high reliability 10 shot pistol mags but there has to been a "magical" HK pistol that uses the said (fictional) magazine to make it legal for sale!

The law is weird but kind of makes sense:
  1. Canadian sold rifles magazines are 5 shots maximum
  2. Canadian sold pistol magazines are 10 shots maximum
  3. We don't care if the pistol magazines fit in a rifle
  4. We just care that they really are pistol magazines

Alex
 
Or even some Remington 7600 magazines with unlimited capacity? Just stamp into them "made for the Remington 7600 pump action rifle".
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I wondered about this when I started looking into the rules for pump guns versus semi-autos.

Perhaps I misread, but I thought bolt and pump guns were able to take as many rounds as you had. Most of the enfields out there are still ten round mags right? So if there were a Rem 7600 mag that happened to fit other stanag mag-wells . . . well I have to think the RCMP would clamp down on that pretty damn quick.
 
Ditchdogger said:
Ok so if the mag was designed for a PLR pistol and you ground of the rib I assume that it would be legal in the ar as it was designed for the PLR
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That would be modifying it to fit in a semi-auto and make it illegal

TV-PressPass said:
I wondered about this when I started looking into the rules for pump guns versus semi-autos.

Perhaps I misread, but I thought bolt and pump guns were able to take as many rounds as you had. Most of the enfields out there are still ten round mags right? So if there were a Rem 7600 mag that happened to fit other stanag mag-wells . . . well I have to think the RCMP would clamp down on that pretty damn quick.
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Enfields are specifically exempted from magazine limits as historical weapons. There were a few automatics made that use a No4 mag. Others have tried to make "pump action AR-15s" for this but no dice. Pistol mags are as good as it gets
 
supernova said:
That would be modifying it to fit in a semi-auto and make it illegal



Enfields are specifically exempted from magazine limits as historical weapons. There were a few automatics made that use a No4 mag. Others have tried to make "pump action AR-15s" for this but no dice. Pistol mags are as good as it gets
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the only rifles that are limited to 5 round capacity are semiauto centerfire

pump, lever and bolt guns have no capacity limits

and for the op

why not get a manfacturer to make a .458 socom pistol and make pistol mags for it (I belive you can get 18 rounds of .223 in a .5rnd .458 socom mag)
 
broncoo said:
the only rifles that are limited to 5 round capacity are semiauto centerfire

pump, lever and bolt guns have no capacity limits

and for the op

why not get a manfacturer to make a .458 socom pistol and make pistol mags for it (I belive you can get 18 rounds of .223 in a .5rnd .458 socom mag)
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ell, really, you wouldn't need a .458 socom pistol. We'd just need the magazines. However, I suspect the follower is quite different on a .458 than the .223 and might cause feeding issues.
 
broncoo said:
the only rifles that are limited to 5 round capacity are semiauto centerfire

pump, lever and bolt guns have no capacity limits

and for the op

why not get a manfacturer to make a .458 socom pistol and make pistol mags for it (I belive you can get 18 rounds of .223 in a .5rnd .458 socom mag)
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Are there pump or bolt rifles with high capacity magazines?
 
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Are there pump or bolt rifles with high capacity magazines

I have heard of people using 10 round LAR 15 pistol mags in Remmy 7615 pump action .223 rifles. There are also a few threads from people who were interested in trying to use mags designed for bolt action .308 AIA rifles in their Norinco 305's, not sure what ever came of those though.
 
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