It it would've been more encouraging if there was something identifying the mag I had a look and I don't see a manufacturers mark on it other then a 5 and 10
10 shot M14 mags
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It it would've been more encouraging if there was something identifying the mag I had a look and I don't see a manufacturers mark on it other then a 5 and 10
As for the markings on the magazine I have only told you guys what I was told by the Canadian firearms centre take it or leave it
I do however think it's a crying shame that such trivial things become an issue
I think we need better political party's and better politicians than we have available now
The conservative have a maturity and they have done nothing to lift The magazine restrictions which makes them no better then the Liberals
BCshooterFMJ
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This is what I have been saying the entire time , I don't like it, but if they advertise "M14 mag" Then that's what the RCMP will treat it as.
I will also say again, since the MVP 5.56 takes STANAG mags, they need to send the 10 rounder with a pin in it. If they had advertised it as an LAR 15 mag, it would have been fine, but its not, its an "AR 15 mag" Hence , 10 shot mags are pinned.
Again, I would love for this to happen, but look at the big picture boys and girls, everyone looks at it so small, "10 rounders, 10 rounders" If they make a magazine for a bolt action, it has NO limit, what would stop them from making 20 rounders, 30 rounders? This might make very few of you go "AWESOME!" Then stop, and join the rest of us and remember what country you are in
Just think, other then pistols, is there ANY magazine in Canada that is not a 5 shot limit if it can be used in an M14? The AIA mags are pretty much the only 200 dollar exception , and I need to point out, it is NOT an M14 mag, they are NOT the same, it 'might' work according to one video on the internet, but it is a stand alone magazine, designed differently from the M14 mag, and the beowulf mags which are a caliber switch up... And if you find any of those, let me know.
M14 magazines really don't work in an AIA Enfield Rifle. Do they fit? Yes. Do they lock into place? No. Technically speaking, you could in theory weld an M14 magazine into the AIA magwell and then feed cartridges into the mag box from the top one at a time, but that's a major modification to the magazine. Also, in theory, you could hack off a chunk of the locking tab on the magazine and use it in the AIA. But again, that's a major modification.
Why?
Certainly that's not the logic being applied to the LAR 15 magazine, is it?
Getting back to the mvp 308.....
In this review
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/foghorn/hands-mossberg-mvp-308-winchester/
the author makes the comment....
" The gun ships with a 10 round Mossberg magazine, but can also accept DPMS magazines and Magpul PMAGs".
So, I think it's really all up to Mossberg, how they mark the magazine, and how they 'spin' it to our esteemed officials.
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BCshooterFMJ
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Oh I can do that too!
h t tp://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/foghorn/gun-review-mossberg-mvp/
"Capacity: 10 rounds (included), takes standard AR-15 magazines"
The difference between a Canadian and United states review I guess?
And please, you clearly did not read my original comment, as since the 5.56 DOES NOT ship with an LAR 15 mag, it needs to be pinned, the LAR 15 is a PISTOL magazine, it is marked as such, PISTOL.... PISTOL . I will repeat, if you think mossberg can just mark "MVP MAG" And suddenly we can have 20 and 30 rounders here in canada for the M14 (And why not mark some STANAG mags the same way, they would sell millions) , I will have to ask how long you have owned guns for? And why does mossberg need to pin the mag they send with the MVP now?
I will be as happy as anyone if it does happen, but I just dont see it. You have to remember, this is an advertisement for the states "Takes M14 mags" Not for us up here in Canada.
Now, to post the laws in their entirety: http://w w w.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:
the 10 round magazine is prohibited
the five round magazine is unregulated
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
(Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm , they are not DESIGNING a new magazine, they are using the M14 mag (As far as I have understood) Unlike the LAR 15, that was designed to only take 10 rounds by rock river arms for the pistol AR they produced)
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Mystic Precision
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If there is an owner of an M305 near Summerland, please contact me to try an experiment.
If it works, we will have 10 rds mags.
If not, we tried.
NO MORE INFO UNTIL TRIALS ARE ATTEMPTED!!!!
Jerry
If it works, we will have 10 rds mags.
If not, we tried.
NO MORE INFO UNTIL TRIALS ARE ATTEMPTED!!!!
Jerry
migrant hunter
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RCMP reclassification of M305 in 3..2..1..
Almost want to buy one just to walk it down to ya!
My goodness... no need to shout. or digress with personal remarks.
i was interested by tiriaq's comments that "If Mossberg advertises that the rifle can use M-14 magazines, then every magazine made for the rifle will be considered to be a M-14 magazine. Regardless of what is marked on it."
I tend to disagree with this analogy, since we're not (usually) being prosected for using LAR-15s in ARs. The powers-that-be haven't gone after us...yet...
Your posts on the MVP in .223- was that what you were assuming I was commenting on? Practically, we already have a workaround in terms of the LAR-15 don't we? It WOULD be interesting if Mossberg had claimed to have a proprietary MVP mag in .223, but I guess you're saying they don't sell it that way? Shrug. If you say they're shipping pinned AR mags with it I'll take your word for it.- haven't been following it.
Edit- I would agree with you that Mossberg really seems to be emphasizing the utility for the US market of being able to use AR- style magazines in the MVP .223, since it "accepts standard AR-style magazines". But it seems to be of no benefit to us.
http://mossberg.com/product/rifles-bolt-action-centerfire-mvp-series-mvp-patrol-mvp-patrol/27709
however, the .308 is being promoted differently.
Now, Mossberg has been saying that this rifle "accepts both M1A/M14 as well as LR-308/SR-25 style mags"
NOT that it's shipping these types of magazines with the rifle.
NOT that the MPV magazine is an M1A/M14 magazine.
NOT that the MVP magazine is an LR-308 or SR-25 magazine.
Instead, at least one online firearms review describes it as
"a 10 round Mossberg magazine". NOT as someone else's magazine.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/foghorn/hands-mossberg-mvp-308-winchester/
now, since you've suggested i didn't read your post, perhaps you didn't read post #59 in this thread, which happens to be my post. interestingly, I bolded a different portion that you did....
And once again, based on the RCMP website which we both seem to be quoting, and using my bolding....
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity
Therefore, if it can be 'proven' that .308 MVP magazines are designed for it, which is NOT a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, they do not have a regulated capacity.
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BCshooterFMJ
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"My goodness... no need to shout. or digress with personal remarks." Says the guys who clearly loves to change font sizes , even on other peoples posts
Did you do that to my post just so the "No reason to yell" Would seem more legit? Or did you take what I said as a personal attack? I asked it because I have owned guns for a while, and STILL get disgusted at the laws and things the RCMP do, and what is allowed, or not allowed into the country.There was no yelling, just copying the style of quote, I mean, the "Truthaboutguns" Will also tell you that AR-15's are shipped with 20 or 30 round mags, that doesnt stand true for us Canadians. If you think it will, dont buy guns based on what Americans say about the stock mag capacity, you are going to be very disapointed.
You keep saying LAR -15 mags , can you not see it yourself, you are NOT calling it an AR 15 mag , it is called a LAR 15 mag.
"However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity."
LAR - 15 mags were DESIGNED for the pistol version of rock river arms AR. The law states that Mossberg would have to design a new mag, or manufacture their own to get passed that. And with the companies in Canada being denied the right to manufacture beowulf mags or AIA mags, I dunno, I just do not see this happening as the RCMP can just inspect it and say "Its an M14 mag" And there you have it, pinned or prohibited.
The end all be all of it , we are still talking about the RCMP, who decided BLOW GUNS are a prohibited device in Canada, I do not see them letting in unrestricted capacity mags for the M14 just because Mossberg is making new ones(I know: "10 shot mags", but if the mag we are talking about is made for a bolt action, there is no restricted on capacity) IF Mossberg makes new ones, instead of ordering them from a manufacturer, they would be doing it just for Canadians, and as big as we think we are, we aren't , we are a tiny blip on the map compared to their American market.
Its like if you have a 10 shot AR mag, if it is not the exact design of the LAR -15 and stamped as such, its pinned to 5, we will just have to see, I hope we get 10 shot mags , would be awesome.
And yes, 100% the current 5.56 MVP is ONLY shipped and or sold with pinned mags or 5 rounders.
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Mystic Precision
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Just a follow up. So far, no offers to test with an M305 locally.
If this changes, I will certainly post results.
Jerry
If this changes, I will certainly post results.
Jerry
