100 Yard Shotgun Patterns?

ShawnC6 said:
Flechettes are prohibited because of ability to penetrate soft body armor.

Not a very useful round anyway.
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Hmmm, there are all kinds of projectiles that will penetrate armor that are perfectly legal. I thought the Flechette was banned because of what it did to a human being when they got hit? (pin sized entrance wounds, and then the Flechette bends, twists in very erratic patterns doing massive injury on the way. Basically, if hit with a Flechette round, not all the Kings Horses, nor all the kings men can put the individual back together again. {surgeon's nightmare}:wave:)
 
plinker 777 said:
Hmmm, there are all kinds of projectiles that will penetrate armor that are perfectly legal. I thought the Flechette was banned because of what it did to a human being when they got hit? (pin sized entrance wounds, and then the Flechette bends, twists in very erratic patterns doing massive injury on the way. Basically, if hit with a Flechette round, not all the Kings Horses, nor all the kings men can put the individual back together again. {surgeon's nightmare}:wave:)
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Lots of projectiles. But not from a shotgun, or handgun in Canada.

Rifles will always go through soft body armor. Id probably rather get hit from a bunch of darts over a couple hollow points.

Edit: actually Id hate to get hit by frangible ammunition
 
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3macs1 said:
100 yards would be a real fluke but it only takes one pellet but would be questionable if the energy is there
75 yard shots are real with a 10ga and either T , F or iron tungsten shot pending the gun is patterned with the right choke and load
Not saying anyone should try to take 75 yard shots but it happens. I know for me usually with going straight away shots and RSI high speed reloads of T with a briley IM in a browning gold will and has many a time smoked them at 60-75 yards
I think what happens is guys will take a 60 plus yard shot but by the time the goose falls it is paced off at 100 yards from the blind so they think they have made a 100 yard shot
If you don't think one can kill geese with the right combination at 65-75 yards in a 10ga consistently you have never shared a blind with someone that knows how to shoot one with a patterned gun and a modern high speed load
Bismuth is also deadly in the 65-75 yard range with BB in the 10ga with a full choke but years since I used that due to the price of shot for reloading
As far as knowing range most of the guys I have hunted with are also bow hunters so normally have a real good handle in that area
Cheers
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Most of the guys who I talk to don't even use BBB let alone T for hunting geese.
Normally it's BB or 2's.
Cat
 
At 100 yards, there is no way anything gets hurt, never mind killed, from shotgun birdshot. Certainly not anything you were actually "aiming" at. These are out of a 24" barrel, 25 1/2 " counting the extra length of the turkey-choke, at 30 meters, 12 ga. 3-inch shells. That's a 30 cm. circle......:


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So, those are at 30 meters - do the math, out 3 times further.......hitting anything out that far wouldn't just be 'luck', it would be divine intervention.... (and that assumes that the pellets could even get that far, which I absolutely don't believe......)
 
catnthehatt said:
Most of the guys who I talk to don't even use BBB let alone T for hunting geese.
Normally it's BB or 2's.
Cat
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I hear you. All depends on what part of the country one hunts in. Out west the few times I had the opportunity to hunt out that way the 10ga was over kill most times unless we were chasing snows and even then I was gutting some in the air
PEI I am normally always smaller than BB. Down this way one may only get the odd crack at some geese per season and they are normally out there passing over so I usually load BB no.1, BBB no2 and T for the last shot
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
I hear you. All depends on what part of the country one hunts in. Out west the few times I had the opportunity to hunt out that way the 10ga was over kill most times unless we were chasing snows and even then I was gutting some in the air
PEI I am normally always smaller than BB. Down this way one may only get the odd crack at some geese per season and they are normally out there passing over so I usually load BB no.1, BBB no2 and T for the last shot
Cheers
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Yup, ya gotta love it when you can set up a good spread and have a two man limit and be packed back up before sundown!
This was from a few years back, my partner shoots a 2 3/4" 1100 with a "Dial-a-Duck" set on IC, and I was shooting my then new Perdersoli hammer double with CYL/IC chokes with 2 3/4" .
Both of us were shooting Winchester No2's , a couple of shots I tried the Fassteel3" , and of course shot a few with 100 grains of FFG and
1 1/4oz of Bismuth as well.
They were coming in HOT that evening!!
Cat
 
If you do your homework on load and choke, and test your combo out to those ranges, you can most definitely take waterfowl cleanly at 60-70 yards. For pass shooting and sea duck hunting I shoot a Browning Silver with 3" Kent #1s and a Patternmaster Long Range, and have on more than a few occassions stoned birds at these distances. I find with this particular choke, 3.5" shells pattern more open. It all comes down to the shooter, as the guns are more than capable.

100 yards, no way.

-Nick
 
I've an old Marlin goose gun with the long barrel and full choke. When I was drawn for turkey I patterned all our shotguns to decide which would be best. Believe it or not, that old goose gun with 3" shells still showed a pretty decent pattern from 80 yds(kept working back, 5 yds at a time). (not that I'd shoot that far, but it ended up being the gun I took and was very confident with a 40yd head shot)
 
3Macs1 got it right......someone shoots a goose and it glides 100 yards and its a 100 yard shot! Have seen/heard all about it. Also have heard "these shells (insert whatever brand here) have great killin' power" when birds are falling and then the next time out when said individual couldn't hit the ground with his hat " these gd shells (insert whatever brand here) aren't worth the box they came in!" One thing I've noticed over the years is sometimes people have no idea what distance the bird is really at, as I'm sure many of us on here have.
 
Here's a limit of geese shot with our 20s! 3 of them were knocked down at the +/-55yd mark using #1 shot. 100yds, even with a 10ga, would be beyond the limits of consistency. But I'd say 75-80yds is very do-able if the guy knows his gun and load combo...and has a few hundred thousand rounds of experience!

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Just wondering, and too lazy to do the math, but what kind of ME would shot have left at 100 yds? I seriously doubt it would be enough to drop a goose.
 
Papaclaude said:
Just wondering, and too lazy to do the math, but what kind of ME would shot have left at 100 yds? I seriously doubt it would be enough to drop a goose.
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Well, let's look at the most extreme case, a slug. A winchester super X 1oz slug leaves the barrel at 1760 FPS generating over 3000 ftlbs of energy. However, by the the time it reaches 100 yards, the slug has slowed to about 1000fps, which only generates about 1052 ftlbs of energy. Now divide by the 90 pellets of #2 shot, and the absolute maximum energy of a pellet is 11.7 ftlbs. For comparison, a .22lr is about 120ftlbs and a cheap ctc pellet gun will push a .177 pellet with about 5 ftlbs. So even if your shot somehow magically had the flight characteristics of a slug, it would still lack sufficient wallup to humanely kill a goose. Actuall flight characteristics would be much, much worse, and the pellet energy at 100 yards would likely make your Red Ryder look like a cannon in comparison.
 
People kill the odd long distance goose and believe their capable of killing them all the time. Meanwhile they are wounding piles of birds that fly on and die a slow death.
 
100 yrds he must of been usin 4 buck lead lol i do alot of reloaden for my 10 i think 100 yds is bs steel bleeds off energy fast and patterns break up to fast,we do alot of pass shooten here cause we don't have the big farms or flocks like the rest of the country.I use f over bbb it holds together pretty good to 60yds in between there and 70 the pattern is gone so i keep my shots under 60.When i could afford hevi shot b that stuff was the bomb i shot a goose at 75yrds cause it dropped right were its hit strait down we paced it anyway it was hit by 6 pellets.5 went clean thru the other side of the body i think that stuff would carry enough energy out that far but it would be pure luck to hit it i'd say if anything it would be wounded.Steel even f or t after 75yrds wouldn't have the energy needed to penetrate the bird to kill it maybe get a flight feather or wound it if anything.They got a penetraion chart at duckhunting chat on differant size shot,type an range on ballistic gel its pretty interesting .40 yds and in steel work best after that you need a good choke and experiances cause most guys can't figure out how to judge out to 40 let alone a 100 lol....
 
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