1000 m round

jayz said:
I want to start shooting long distance but don't know what caliber to look at.
Out of these which would be the best?
7mm wsm
300 wsm
300 winmag
300 um
I would like to get something that you can shoot and not get the snot pounded out of you. I have read that the winmag and um have alot of recoil to them.
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What do you want to do with the rifle???

Just plinking or serious/formal competitions???

The DCRA has a No Magnum rule, and Provincial Rifle Associations will have their own restrictions.

Also depends on where you are going to shoot.Some ranges are not templated /certified for certain rounds.

Me, I'd take the .300 WinMag.

Case/bullets/powders are plentiful with a vast selection, and it is a proven 1000 yard competitive cartridge.

Carlos Hathcock used a .300 WinMag to win the 1965 Wimbledon Cup.

SKBY.
 
Skullboy said:
The DCRA has a No Magnum rule,
SKBY.
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WHAT where damn it i read the rule book and didnt see anywhere it stated i couldnt use a magnum damn it i gotta re-read it again damn it i bought my stevens in 300WM to try out competeing, damn it now i gotta sell it to get a rifle to try out competing with damn it :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead:
Skullboy you suck :p
 
SignGuy said:
WHAT where damn it i read the rule book and didnt see anywhere it stated i couldnt use a magnum damn it i gotta re-read it again damn it i bought my stevens in 300WM to try out competeing, damn it now i gotta sell it to get a rifle to try out competing with damn it :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead: :bangHead:
Skullboy you suck :p
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I just looked through the DCRA rules and can't find the No Magnum rule. They might have removed it since I last checked.

I would contact them and make sure.

BUT it says in the DCRA rules that Caliber depends on the range template of the actual range you are going to shoot on.

SKBY.
 
Skullboy said:
I just looked through the DCRA rules and can't find the No Magnum rule. They might have removed it since I last checked.

I would contact them and make sure.

BUT it says in the DCRA rules that Caliber depends on the range template of the actual range you are going to shoot on.

SKBY.
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well seeing as how the ministry of transportation has deemed unable to safely operate a motor vehicle*took my licence away for medical reasons* the only range i can get to regularly is cannought*i love living less then 5 minutes away in rush hour LOL* so i will have to do some checking into what calibres they allow there
 
For fun shooting I just bout a 112 savage in 25-06.Even with 100 grain bullets it rings the gongs at 700meters and moves them enough to see.Had a ball at the genesee range until I got my truck stuck and a very nice fellow shooter spent 2 and a half hours helping me dig and pull it out.
 
I would got with Long Range Canuks recomendation, he has first hand knowledge of this. His rifle is a 300win mag and I know it is super accurate. Another option is the 7mm rem mag.
 
jayz said:
I want to start shooting long distance but don't know what caliber to look at.
Out of these which would be the best?
7mm wsm
300 wsm
300 winmag
300 um
I would like to get something that you can shoot and not get the snot pounded out of you. I have read that the winmag and um have alot of recoil to them.
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I would like to get something that you can shoot and not get the snot pounded out of you.

If you are only punching paper then make it a small caliber - there is more than one excellent 6mm or 6.5 cartridge to choose from.
 
I have several rifles set up for long range competition, several in .308, and one in 300WSM
All are either irons or optics compatible.

The WSM and other magnums have less time of flight, but shooting prone you are going to get beat up and a 308 will be less punishing during a course of fire.
before anybody starts up with the flames, remember, I am talking TR and F class competition , where more than a few shots are made at a time, and you are shooting at a target with the highest score winning.
Also , training and good Wind doping willl win out over time of flight every time.

Cat
 
As far as I'm concerned, you do not get good at long range shooting unless you do a lot of it. Having said that my choice of a long-range cartridge would be none of the above.

I do not shoot in sanctioned competitions, and our range has no cartridge restrictions, so when choosing a cartridge for my target rifle, I could pretty much choose anything I wanted. I considered several alternatives from the 6.5-284 to the .338 Lapua. The cartridge I decided on was the .308. The .308 pales in comparison to the ballistics of the large capacity 30's, or to over bored catridges of similar capacity, but it has a number of advantages.

1) round for round the .308 is cheaper to shoot
2) less recoil means less fatigue
3) the .308 has longer barrel life - in some cases much longer
4) high quality .308 components are common and easy to get
5) the .308 is easy to load for, and good handloading procedures produce good accuracy without having to resort to voodoo.
 
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Just a note, the 6.5WSM has about 1" higher trajectory than the 338 Lapua at 1,000 meters , but with a LOT LESS recoil!
The 6,5WSM marks the steel at that rangge, but the 338 will DENT it!!
The difference also is the 6.5 was a 140 grain bullet and the 338 was a 225 grain bullet.
Cat
 
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Recoil and down range energy go hand in hand. You don't get something for nothing. The 338 Lapua was developed for the military. The 308 Win doesn't come close to the energy of the 338 Lapua and we could go further if we include the larger calibers.

6.5 caliber has many good bullets available as does the 30cal.

The slight short coming of the 7mm is at this time, the selection of brands in the 180gr range is limited. Sierra makes a 175 which is a plus.

We do live in great times....lots to pick.

Joe
 
Joe is correct about the 7mm Rem. Mag. Although it has a very flat fight path out to great distances, the availability of good quality ammo is very limited, but I think that Federal does make a round in the Gold Match line, but if you are willing to play with loads, 7mm Rem Mag is a great cartridge. It is the calibre the US Secret Service uses for thier long range/sniper rifles.
 
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I didn't think a 308 would reach out to 1k. I may have to look in to it. I like the remmy line. I like the 700p and the ltr. Which would be more accurate? A 308 or 300 WinMag.
 
The 308 has been used out to 1mile or so probably more then we care to know.

The 6mmxc 115gr will out do the 308 @1000m.....but the 308 will do it.

If you want to and actually can endure the recoil...the 300 Win Mag will out perform the 308.
 
Joe is right, the 308 has been around with Police and Military for a very very long time. Thus, as much of their current equipment is centered around this cartridge you don't see many departments change over.

The 7mm is a great cartridge with great balistics, so is the 300WM. Both these are tried a proven long range guns. The 338 Lapua is the king unless you want to step up to the big 50's. However, the 300WM and 338 Lapua both carry considerable recoil as compared to some of the other choices. The shooters ability to master this recoil will have bearing on how accurate they can shoot the larger caliber out to longer ranges.

Balistics on the 7mm are superb.
 
jayz: The .308 can easily reach out to 1000m with the right ammo. If you were looking to shoot out to ranges this long, a 700P would probably be the best bet (in regard to the LTR) as the 6" of extra barrel would give you that extra bit of velocity to ensure that the bullet doesn't go subsonic.

-Rohann
 
The little white dot on the far side of the river, at the edge of the black bank.
See it?
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That white dot is my taget, and it is a full 1,000 meters away.
The rifle I am slinging into is a Sportco action, Kreiger barrelled prone rifle
equipped with irons sights.
It was made for Palma match shooting ,Its caliber is 308.:popCorn:
Cat
 
Rohann said:
Man I wish I had a shooting spot like that!
What kinda groupings do you get out that far?

-Rohann
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Well, I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good ONCE as I ever was!!:p

15 rounds, I can usually keep them all on the target, on a real good day I can even keep most of them in or near 2.5 - 3MOA .:p
I've shot far better groups with my 6.5WSM (Under 6") , but that one is scoped up and off the bench.
When I shoot it prone, I can usually get a good 5 shot group of less than 10" , and it's not a target rifle as such, but a falling block "mess around rig"!
Cat
 
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catnthehatt said:
The little white dot on the far side of the river, at the edge of the black bank.
See it?

That white dot is my taget, and it is a full 1,000 meters away.
The rifle I am slinging into is a Sportco action, Kreiger barrelled prone rifle
equipped with irons sights.
It was made for Palma match shooting ,Its caliber is 308.:popCorn:
Cat
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That's really nice... So how do you get to the other side of the river?

Which reminds me of the two blondes who met on opposite sides of a small river... the one blonde yells over to the other blonde and asks, "How to you get to the other side?".

The other blonde yelled back, "You are on the other side."
 
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