- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
With the officialguntech said:
"Outpost of The Empire Range vehicle" of course!
Cat
1000 m round
- Thread starter jayz
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"Outpost of The Empire Range vehicle" of course!
Cat
Boomer said:
I agree completely with boomer, I do own some of the calibers you listed in your selection but I would never reccomend them to someone starting out. The 308 will make you an excellent shot and teach you all you need to know about wind. Another alternative is the 30-06 it gives you that little extra bit that the 308 lacks, but if you compete in some of the sanctioned events there is a 308 - 223 restriction. If I was building today I would take a good hard look at the 7WSM or another caliber with a similar powder capacity, it has the powder capacity and the bullet selection to get you out there without beating you up............... too much
bigbull
- Location
- In the clock tower!!
catnthehatt said:With the official
"Outpost of The Empire Range vehicle" of course!
Cat
Thats an incredible spot! Wish I had something like that around here
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Yup, we like it!
here I am zeroing in on the "midrange target" at just over 650 yards.
It is a rock about 16" wide, if you follow the sight you can see it up in the clear spot.
That seemingly flat area mind you is almost vertical!
There is no way ANYBODY can get there without rappelling down to it!!
I actually hit that rock so many times that afternoon
with the 308 and irons that I split it!
Cat
here I am zeroing in on the "midrange target" at just over 650 yards.
It is a rock about 16" wide, if you follow the sight you can see it up in the clear spot.
That seemingly flat area mind you is almost vertical!
There is no way ANYBODY can get there without rappelling down to it!!
I actually hit that rock so many times that afternoon
with the 308 and irons that I split it!
Cat
Ok from what I have been reading people are using 223 and 308 for long range shooting. I have a 12bvss in 223 and have been looking at a 700p in 308. Should I just take the money and put it towards the savage or buy a 308
I would like to be able to hit 700m-900m and maybe 1k. I am not looking to spend 7000 on it but would like to get some nice accuracy. I handload so I can use the hvy 223 bullets. I think I will stay away from the mags for now.
So what do I do?
I would like to be able to hit 700m-900m and maybe 1k. I am not looking to spend 7000 on it but would like to get some nice accuracy. I handload so I can use the hvy 223 bullets. I think I will stay away from the mags for now.
So what do I do?
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I'd get a good scope for your 112 , it'll do it alright.jayz said:Ok from what I have been reading people are using 223 and 308 for long range shooting. I have a 12bvss in 223 and have been looking at a 700p in 308. Should I just take the money and put it towards the savage or buy a 308
I would like to be able to hit 700m-900m and maybe 1k. I am not looking to spend 7000 on it but would like to get some nice accuracy. I handload so I can use the hvy 223 bullets. I think I will stay away from the mags for now.
So what do I do?
Cat
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
I agree with Cat, put the money into optics, and a good base and rings and play out there first. I have a 12Bvss in .223 that I've had out to 1000. It is a little fussy in the wind but does the job, is cheap to shoot and your already reloading for it so your set.
If down the road you want to step up to a larger caliber to reach further or hunt step up to a 7mm/.300wm/.338 Lapua or what ever turns your crank.
Gunboy, no disrespect here, but there is no Ultimate Round or caliber. If there was they would only make one. Calibers and rifles are like golf clubs, you don't play the whole game with a putter. It all comes down to what you intend to do with it.
If down the road you want to step up to a larger caliber to reach further or hunt step up to a 7mm/.300wm/.338 Lapua or what ever turns your crank.
Gunboy, no disrespect here, but there is no Ultimate Round or caliber. If there was they would only make one. Calibers and rifles are like golf clubs, you don't play the whole game with a putter. It all comes down to what you intend to do with it.
My thoughts
If I was to buy a factory rifle to hit 1,000 with not a lot of recoil I would choose a long heavy barrel in 308 like one of the CZ varmint rifles. But if I was to have a custom rifle it would be the 30-06 for a bit more versatility and that little extra omph. If you don't use hand loads then I would check out Hornady's SST & Interbond Light mag cartridges. I'm doing sub moa past 200 yrds with my 30-06 and Hornady's light mag.
If I was to buy a factory rifle to hit 1,000 with not a lot of recoil I would choose a long heavy barrel in 308 like one of the CZ varmint rifles. But if I was to have a custom rifle it would be the 30-06 for a bit more versatility and that little extra omph. If you don't use hand loads then I would check out Hornady's SST & Interbond Light mag cartridges. I'm doing sub moa past 200 yrds with my 30-06 and Hornady's light mag.
Long Range Canuck said:
7mm would be an Ultimate round for 1000meter in my Opinion, flat shoot, Low recoil in a heavy barrel version with 162grain Amax, if any one like 6.5X55, the 7mm remmag take it a step further, even in windy!, and with 7mm you can also hunt with it, and in the Rem700Pss, which I am waiting for at the moment, why go out and spend a load of money to get one build!....
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
The 7mag does not win as much as some of the other calibers out there.GunBoy said:
Plus the the fella already has a 112 in .223.
That is why the suggestion was made to upgrade the optics.
Not sure how much 1K shooting will be done with it , so if he is inside of 1K most of the time , the .223 will do fiine.
For a biginner thee caliber doesn't matter near as much as learning the load and
learning how to judge wind.
I have had many shooteers out to my range that get a very big wakeup call when the wind is blowing and they realize that at long range you can't
"just buck the wind" with a big rifle !
Cat
Well I want to get a 700p so I was looking at the cals it comes in. What would be better? I was looking at the 7 mm mag and the 308. How is the recoil on the mag and how does it shoot. I think it would be fun to play with a mag cart.
- Location
- Whitehorse, Yukon
I've been doing some load development for my Rem 700PS in 300 Win. Recoil is reasonable, near twice that of the 308 win. The accuracy is short of incredible! 185gr. Berger VLDs and R22 just under 3000fps and 5 shot groups @ 100mtrs. sub 1/2 MOA is the norm.
This combination should reach out to the 1000yd. mark without a problem. Just waiting for the snow to clear @ 500mtrs. to start shooting seriously.
This combination should reach out to the 1000yd. mark without a problem. Just waiting for the snow to clear @ 500mtrs. to start shooting seriously.
jayz said:
Skullboy said:
Scullboy said it best... What are your intentions???
If you want to enter into meets, you are prob best going with a .308. The USMC, the US Army use it as does Canada for 800m up to 1000m.
If recoil is a worry, spent the extra $$$ and put a muzzle brake on it. I have a .300 Win Mag with one and it has less recoil than my .303 Brit. I have no problem shooting it all day at the range.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can load a .308 hotter than you can a .30-06. And from what I know (the little that that may be), as far as custom rifles and long-range shooting goes, a .308 is quite a bit more versatile.inukshuk said:
-Rohann
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
jayz, one more vote to shoot what you got. I have been playing with a Stevens in 223 and 75gr Amax. Even poking at 2600fps, it was deadly out to 850yds. I am working on a load that will get it closer to 2875fps which will reduce my drop and wind drift substantially. You should be able to break 2900fps with your longer pipe.
I am really enjoying this 223. Low cost, recoil, BARREL HEAT. I can shoot double the rds in one sitting before the barrel heats up. That's more fun then watching the barrel cool.
Get some 75gr Amax seated out close but not touching the lands, Benchmark, CCI BR4, and Win cases and fly at it.
I hope you have a location that allows you to shoot 700+yds all the time. If so, you will find that the 223 will get bounced around in the wind. Inside, quite easy to steer.
Once you gain experience and are ready for another build, consider the 6BR/improved/22-250AI/243 cases. The next step up with fantastic performance and not that much more costs.
The 6.5 and 7mm's are next. I am having a hoot with my 6.5 Mystic (260AI) and would recommend it over the 6.5 -284. However, the plain jain 260R and 6.5 X55 are superb.
The 7mm's have the highest BC dirt cheap bullet around (162gr Amax). I prefer the 7Mystic/280AI as you can get these lovelies to 2900fps without too much fuss. That is plenty ballistics to go past 1000yds. will be testing the 180gr Bergers soon - amazing bullet.
I have owned two braked 7RMs and are just more velocity. This really puts the zing in those Amax and bergers. With the brake, recoil is mild.
F class shooters are looking at the 284 and the Bergers. Nice combo but more recoil then I want in a non braked rifle. I am a recoil wuss.
The 30's and 338's are a hoot and there is nothing like seeing the dust fly when a big heavy arrives way out there. However, costs are higher, recoil can be brutal and barrel life can be shorter.
If you really want a big boomer and WILL shoot beyond 700yds often, the new 208gr Amax is your answer out of a 300WM. I would look at a HB Savage 300WM or in 7RM pushing the Amax/Bergers and put a brake on it. Fun, fun, fun...
Jerry
I am really enjoying this 223. Low cost, recoil, BARREL HEAT. I can shoot double the rds in one sitting before the barrel heats up. That's more fun then watching the barrel cool.
Get some 75gr Amax seated out close but not touching the lands, Benchmark, CCI BR4, and Win cases and fly at it.
I hope you have a location that allows you to shoot 700+yds all the time. If so, you will find that the 223 will get bounced around in the wind. Inside, quite easy to steer.
Once you gain experience and are ready for another build, consider the 6BR/improved/22-250AI/243 cases. The next step up with fantastic performance and not that much more costs.
The 6.5 and 7mm's are next. I am having a hoot with my 6.5 Mystic (260AI) and would recommend it over the 6.5 -284. However, the plain jain 260R and 6.5 X55 are superb.
The 7mm's have the highest BC dirt cheap bullet around (162gr Amax). I prefer the 7Mystic/280AI as you can get these lovelies to 2900fps without too much fuss. That is plenty ballistics to go past 1000yds. will be testing the 180gr Bergers soon - amazing bullet.
I have owned two braked 7RMs and are just more velocity. This really puts the zing in those Amax and bergers. With the brake, recoil is mild.
F class shooters are looking at the 284 and the Bergers. Nice combo but more recoil then I want in a non braked rifle. I am a recoil wuss.
The 30's and 338's are a hoot and there is nothing like seeing the dust fly when a big heavy arrives way out there. However, costs are higher, recoil can be brutal and barrel life can be shorter.
If you really want a big boomer and WILL shoot beyond 700yds often, the new 208gr Amax is your answer out of a 300WM. I would look at a HB Savage 300WM or in 7RM pushing the Amax/Bergers and put a brake on it. Fun, fun, fun...
Jerry
