1000-rd stress test experience?

Tachead said:
Yes, they are Nylon 6 with a melting point of 190 degees C. That is almost twice the temp water boils at. I think under most normal shooting conditions you would have trouble getting one that hot.
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Shooting 1K rounds rapid fire as fast as you can load it will do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZxQfIBXDc&feature=related

Go to 5.40 of the video.

As I said earlier I am not sure what all these torture tests prove. I can't imagine a situation where a gun owner wouldn't have the opportunity to clean his gun if he chose to do so. That and just because a gun fired 1K times in a row doesn't guarantee it will fire on the 1001 round nor more than a FTF afte two rounds means the gun will have a FTF 50% of the time.

Take Care

Bob
 
I definitely have never done it in a single sitting...I find that much past 500 rounds in a day and I'm not really learning anything any more.

I have done back-to-back 500 round days without cleaning. And if you count multi-day sessions, I have probably done a max of 10, 300 round sessions between cleanings before. No issues.

I do agree that the endurance testing doesn't necessarily prove much - it's definitely not a realistic simulation of normal shooting, or even shooting under demanding conditions. I wouldn't say that shooting 1000 rounds without a failure doesn't give you a good general sense of performance, though. It doesn't mean it won't fail on the 1001st round, but if you shoot a gun a thousand times and it never fails, to me it implies that odds of it failing on the next round are slim.

If it fails repeatedly in the thousand rounds, odds of it failing again on the next round are relatively high.

There is no way to predict individual failures with any accuracy, but there is a good way to predict, say, mean rounds to failure on a given model of gun.

If I were to look for a test that indicated hard use performance, I'd probably just run it through shooting classes. If it doesn't fail while doing all sorts of different drills in crappy weather, it's probably going to be fine for any normal application.

Incidentally I don't think classes are any harder on guns than shooting structured drills by yourself...but people by themselves somehow seem to discount and forget stoppages, particularly on guns they paid a lot of money for, acquired recently, or really like the looks of.
 
Thanks for all the replies everybody.

I too only shoot about 200-300 rounds per session, any more and my personal performance begins to go down.

The purpose of my post was to get some idea of what I was getting myself into if I were to do a stress test on my gun. And the reason for the stress test is just to find out what my gun can do and what it cannot do.

For example, although I won't be shooting past 1000 rounds more than once or twice, it's a good feeling to know that the gun will still run even though a cleaning session had to be skipped for some reason.

Thanks all!
 
misanthropist said:
Incidentally I don't think classes are any harder on guns than shooting structured drills by yourself...
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I would tend to agree with a few exceptions. In a class or course ( a good one anyway) you will be under a little more peer stress, possibly shooting one handed, and from different positions which my accentuate limp wristing problems (for you Glock shooters:p) or show problems with your lube (or lack thereof) and cleaning issues. I know one of the 1911's on the rifle course I attended started crapping out after only a couple hundred rounds, which the owner blamed on a "tight" gun and cold weather.
 
Clobbersauras said:
I would tend to agree with a few exceptions. In a class or course ( a good one anyway) you will be under a little more peer stress, possibly shooting one handed, and from different positions which my accentuate limp wristing problems (for you Glock shooters:p) or show problems with your lube (or lack thereof) and cleaning issues. I know one of the 1911's on the rifle course I attended started crapping out after only a couple hundred rounds, which the owner blamed on a "tight" gun and cold weather.
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But peer stress doesn't affect the gun...shooting positions can be replicated solo...one handed should be part of everyone's drill repertoire...and lube issues will come up whether you're at a class or by yourself. Only the round count is really variable there.

I am sure the 1911 would have been choking if the guy was at the range by himself. The only difference would be that he would be on here telling us about another "flawless" trip to the range.
 
^^Yeah, I actually just realized that you were talking about the gun and not the shooter. Which was the point of the whole thread....yikes, I'm losing it. That was obtuse of me. A long day and kids screaming in the background means I shouldn't be posting....
 
Interesting point raised about how defensive we are about our guns. I know a fellow who regular extols the virtues of one of the lower priced 1911's. Someone asks what to buy and you can count on his recommendation yet I have yet to see this fellow get through an IPSC match without at least one or two jams with a gun he feels compelled to recommend. Great gun except it can't get through 90 rounds without a jam or two. I have a close friend who finally gave up on the same gun after spending countless hours trying to make it run without incident.

Now before anyone jumps on me to defend 1911's. I think they are great platforms and many are extremely reliable. Often though we customize them and improve them to the point where they become unreliable. The design just lends itself to tinkering.

I'll end this by saying that the mainstream guns most often thought of as Police/Military type guns such a s the SIG 226, Glock 17, M&P and CZ 75B to name four are extremely reliable out of the box and will serve the user well. If I was going to shoot 1K rounds it would be for practice and for competition and not to see if the gun matched some threshold of reliability. I can find that out practicing drills that might make be a better shooter or at least a very good inept shooter.:) something I achieve with great regularity.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Shooting 1K rounds rapid fire as fast as you can load it will do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZxQfIBXDc&feature=related

Go to 5.40 of the video.

As I said earlier I am not sure what all these torture tests prove. I can't imagine a situation where a gun owner wouldn't have the opportunity to clean his gun if he chose to do so. That and just because a gun fired 1K times in a row doesn't guarantee it will fire on the 1001 round nor more than a FTF afte two rounds means the gun will have a FTF 50% of the time.

Take Care

Bob
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Im pretty sure nobody would shoot 1000 rounds that fast without letting their gun cool down. As I said there is a melting point but, no normal shooting situation would ever get it there. But, thanks I always like to see and fugly Glock get destroyed:D
 
I shoot 400 - 600 per session and when I'm done the gun is smoking hot with smoke pouring off the barrel. 1,000 is a lot of shooting for just one pistol in a single session.
 
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2500 rnds over two days at a class last year with an STI open gun, zero issues.
Normal practice would be 300rnds three to four times a week and then a cleaning.
 
1000 rounds over 2 days at pistol course. This was repeated twice at additional courses. Gun gets hot, full of dirt/dust, kept working and you develop an awareness of what the gun and you are capable of. The only malfunction was user induced.
 
Canuck44 said:
Interesting point raised about how defensive we are about our guns. I know a fellow who regular extols the virtues of one of the lower priced 1911's. Someone asks what to buy and you can count on his recommendation yet I have yet to see this fellow get through an IPSC match without at least one or two jams with a gun he feels compelled to recommend. Great gun except it can't get through 90 rounds without a jam or two. I have a close friend who finally gave up on the same gun after spending countless hours trying to make it run without incident.

Now before anyone jumps on me to defend 1911's. I think they are great platforms and many are extremely reliable. Often though we customize them and improve them to the point where they become unreliable. The design just lends itself to tinkering.

I'll end this by saying that the mainstream guns most often thought of as Police/Military type guns such a s the SIG 226, Glock 17, M&P and CZ 75B to name four are extremely reliable out of the box and will serve the user well. If I was going to shoot 1K rounds it would be for practice and for competition and not to see if the gun matched some threshold of reliability. I can find that out practicing drills that might make be a better shooter or at least a very good inept shooter.:) something I achieve with great regularity.

Take Care

Bob
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Its not an improvement if it makes the gun unreliable..

TDC
 
TDC said:
They definitely are a dream to work on. By that I mean they're always in need of work.;)

TDC
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Only if you tinker with them. The problem is the 1911 is a design not just one manufacturers product. Some manufacturers put the design together correctly and the guns run like a clock other manufacturers don't and they are an expensive door stops.

Sometimes even manufacturers screw up with their main product eg. Glock Gen 4. Glock tried to catch up with the industry using their old reliable platform and messed the bed. Four Generations and they still have't got it right.:D


Take Care

Bob
 
Not 1000 but around 500-600 through one Sig Sauer, many shooters. It started getting ridiculously hot. I let it cool down and the gun still looks like new, though i keep the frame rails well greased. Though I didn't at the time...I didn't know any better, I was a new shooter...
 
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