1000 yard Rifle

aaronfisher said:
im thinking of competing in the F-CLASS RESTRICTED here in BC with a .223
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You can start with a HB Savage and a 9 twist and have lots of fun, trigger time and learn. A 12 BVSS would work great.

Then you can put on a Shilen or McGowen or other match barrel and get serious about your V count. This might push you into F/ TR. Just don't know how many matches will host a 'factory' class so keeping 100% factory may not do you any favors.

I would suggest an 8 twist so you can use the 80gr Berger or Amax. A 7 twist if you want to venture into the 90gr VLD's/BT's.

If you would prefer to jump in with both feet, get a Stevens, drop in a new trigger, swap a match barrel, suitable stock, skipod, quality optics and learn to reload. You can be competitive for a reasonable budget.

Looking at the possibility of my next project rifle being a 223 for F class. I really want to see what those 90's can do.

Jerry
 
i like the your idea for the stevens i just wonder how much a set up like that would cost with a 1:7 barrel on it and if you go to the BCRA website and look up the F class rules i like that bipod
mysticplayer said:
You can start with a HB Savage and a 9 twist and have lots of fun, trigger time and learn. A 12 BVSS would work great.

Then you can put on a Shilen or McGowen or other match barrel and get serious about your V count. This might push you into F/ TR. Just don't know how many matches will host a 'factory' class so keeping 100% factory may not do you any favors.

I would suggest an 8 twist so you can use the 80gr Berger or Amax. A 7 twist if you want to venture into the 90gr VLD's/BT's.

If you would prefer to jump in with both feet, get a Stevens, drop in a new trigger, swap a match barrel, suitable stock, skipod, quality optics and learn to reload. You can be competitive for a reasonable budget.

Looking at the possibility of my next project rifle being a 223 for F class. I really want to see what those 90's can do.

Jerry
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I have built 2 match rifles on a Stevens 200 action and one on a Savage 12 FVSS action. I loved all of them. Can be done cheaper than buying a factory precision rifle and they all shot like a dream. Sadly only one of them remain as I sold the rest of them:kickInTheNuts:. Guns are for buying, not for selling.:mad:

I love the action, love it.
 
Mysticplayer is the guy to ask.
Also check out Sharp Shooter Supply (google it)
They carry all sorts of Savage stuff.
Anyways a Stevens 200 is usually around 400 or less
A match barrel from Mystic is around $450
You can get a comp trigger from SSS for around $100
And whatever stock option you want. If your Stevens is a Centerfeed there are less stock options. The Staggerfeed options are limitless. Especially in Short Action.
And then Scope Mount, rings and Optics. Again either SSS and Mystic can hook you up.

It takes some time and research to find the parts you want but you can put together a match rifle quite easily. Mystic also could put it together for you too I believe if you want to make sure it is done really well.

Other thing to do is find a Savage with a stock you like and accutrigger on the EE or wherever and then swap out the barrel. It doesn't matter what cal it is as long as it is short action. Just buy a barrel and bolt face for that caliber. Might work out cheaper still.

There is a great buy right now on EEfor a Savage 10 LE with an HS stock in 308. $900 and then you could get a barrel and bolt face from Jerry. $1500 and you could have a match gun. That stock would cost you $500 or more all by itself. Then you could sell the barrel or keep it and have a switch barrel.
 
aaronfisher said:
im thinking of competing in the F-CLASS RESTRICTED here in BC with a .223
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Thinking of joining our motley group? Welcome aboard!!!!!

223 is a perfect F-R cartridge.

Find a rifle that you are comfortable with. Savage is great as are Remington and Tikka. Brand is not important.

Most clubs have a factory class and i would start off shooting in that if you are going to use a factory gun. The new short range target in F-Class is challenging, so when you become really and truly hooked (say.... after 15 minutes!) you will more than likely start looking at a barrel upgrade.

Plan B: Find a used 223 with a match barrel

Plan C: Think about the Savage 12 F/TR in .308. Not a 223, but enough accuracy to compete on equal terms in F-R
 
I have shot 223 at 1000 yards and tested 223 vs 308 at 1000yrds.

The 223 (Sierra80 match) showed a bit less wind deflection than the 308 (155 Sierra).

A 1:9 Savage will stabalize the Sierra 80 if it is loaded full tilt. It may be necessary to touch the throat with a throating reamer to push the throat out a bit, so the buillet can be loaded long, to make room for about 25 to 26 gr of RL15.

The original posting mentioned FMJ. No. FMJ is good for plinking, but for accuracy you want match bullets and for long range you want long match bullets. usually these are hollow point.
 
this is a awesome thread for people looking to get into the long range 223 game(myself included), saves me starting a new thread, so i like the stevens 200 route, cheap to get going, 1-9 twist, upgradable,
what would be the price differnce for a built up stevens 200 compared to a high end savage??
 
Here are some costs for comparision: Please note that I do not list prices where there are issues with US export

Stevens 200 with the bolt head you want to shoot. Not so easy to get bolt heads. You can modify the stock to suit (dirt cheap) or sell off the various parts you will not be using. One a new rifle, figure on recoup $100 to $150 on parts. Est $200 for bare action.

Timney pre-accutrigger $150
SSS and RB2 are other options

Barrels: Shilen SS Select match $455. McGowen SS $450 (plus $65 if they need to get the reamer). I can help with the install.

Stock: If you build off the factory or use the factory, not much. If you have to buy a stock, figure $200 to 600+ depending on the bells and whistles.

Base: I use Farrell 1pc MOA steel base $100

Rings: I use Burris Sig ZEE rings 1" $45, Shim kit is $15. 30mm rings $75 and include a pair of 10 thou shims.

Bedding; $75 and up. I can help here

Bolt timing: This allows for a much easier, smoother and lighter bolt lift. Doesn't improve accuracy but sure does function/cycling. This is important when shooting prone so you don't move your rifle all over the place trying to work the action. $65. Pretty sure I am the only one in Canada.

Oversized bolt knob: Again, it is about ease of function. Allen Gun works makes a nice addition. ATR does similar work. Radical made some really nice alloy bolt knobs. Guntech does install and maybe makes them too?. And I am sure there are others. $75 and up.

Add up the parts costs and you are very similar to a Factory Savage w/accutrigger BUT you have a much better shooting barrel and the option to choose wildcat chamberings.

You will likely like this article on how to build up a LR rig for cheap:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/long-range-rig.php

Setting up your optics:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/setting-up-scope.php

Reloading tips: Load tuning article coming out in Sept me thinks.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/precision-reloading.php

And if you want to see how it all goes together into a rifle build:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/savage-tactical-rifle-project-1.php

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek075.html

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
I'd suggest you come out to an F-Class match before you buy and take a look for yourself at what the majority of F-class shooters do for equipment. We have a number of gunsmiths that show up for our matches as well and they can give you some pretty sound, objective advice on what to spend your money on and what to stay away from.
 
aaronfisher said:
what is a fast twist barrel?
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turns : per inch.

ie. 1:10 twist = 1 turn per 10inch. 1:8 = 1 turn per 8inch. 1:14 = 1 turn per 14inch.

The lower the # the more spin on the bullet. To much spin and not enough spin can both be bad. you gota find the happy point with the bullet weight.
 
aaronfisher said:
is this a good scope VX-3 8.5-25x50mm Long Range Target? err better yet what type of scopes do you all use
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I also use this scope, a scope with target turrets is a must... I would prefer the milspec scope from the Leupold mark line up but couldnt justifiy the extra price just to have exposed turrets.

For example I cronographed my rounds then went to a ballistics program and found out for the equiptment that i was useing and enviroment to get that specific load out to 600 yards it would take 60 clicks the turrets are market in clicks or MOA minutes of angle and there are 60 clicks on my scope in one MOA

I was using the busnell elite 4200 8x32x40 before but upgraded to this... both scopes are good.
 
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