10rd magazine question...

jakfrost

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Bought a used gun recently that came with one magazine 'pinned' ( pop rivet and spacer which limits the follower descending in the tube beyond the 10rd point. During a conversation at the match last weekend one of the shooters commented on the difficulty I was having removing the base pad and spring/follower in order to properly clean the sand out of the tube. He said he just uses a plastic 'spacer' mounted on the base pad, which projects up the center of the spring the correct height to restrict the number of rounds to 10...I tried to argue that it wasn't a legal 'pinning' of the magazine since you could simply replace the base pad with one without the attached 'spacer' and have a illegal 'hi-cap' mag...

What is the correct wording to qualify a magazine as 'legally restricted to 10rds'? Anyone?
 
Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462)
<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/index.html>

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.


<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/index.html>
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"cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than" is the bottom line here.

What ever "easily" means?

M
 
what is the mag, you can use a spacer, but the mag has to be tack welded so you can't take it apart.
welding is hard on plastic.
 
The plug can not be detached from the casing. If the plug was integral to the base insert that would qualify as one would have to replace or modify the insert to put in more than 10 rounds. There are some magazines sold in Canada that use this design, but it is not common. Most are stamped tube or modified via a pin, rivet, spacer attached to the tube, or dimple. If the plug sits on top of the insert loosely, then that is not allowed. The stupid part is, until the mag is assembled, no single part is illegal. Stupid rules from stupid people.
 
twoicebergs said:
The plug can not be detached from the casing. If the plug was integral to the base insert that would qualify as one would have to replace or modify the insert to put in more than 10 rounds. There are some magazines sold in Canada that use this design, but it is not common. Most are stamped tube or modified via a pin, rivet, spacer attached to the tube, or dimple. If the plug sits on top of the insert loosely, then that is not allowed. The stupid part is, until the mag is assembled, no single part is illegal. Stupid rules from stupid people.
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Well....what eventually happened to the poor bugger that was arrested at the border after CBSA alerted the RCMP that he was trying to import prohibited items in the form of Hi-Cap Magazine TUBES. Just the tubes, no springs, followers, base pads, etc. The argument was apparently, that simply adding the missing components would 'easily' make a 'Hi-Cap' magazine. I never heard what the result of the trial was. Anyone? Or was this whole story just another...story.

And, I have changed the spacer's previously used in my 155mm stainless steel mags from lexon to aluminum...to be 'more' compliant.

Quote "(*b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, both to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method:"

The important thing I think, is to be seen to be attempting to be compliant to the best of your ability.
 
I know I'm supposed to care about these things, but honestly- do you guys think someone will be inspecting your mags at some point?
 
stevebc said:
I know I'm supposed to care about these things, but honestly- do you guys think someone will be inspecting your mags at some point?
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Probably not. But.... being examinded due to a traffic/speeding violation while transporting may put you in that predicament.

M
 
I was a Boy Scout once...a long time ago. Still remember the motto :)
At a recent IPSC match a couple of competitors were keenly interested in my MBX 155mm mags for my STI DVC in 9 major. In their original condition these mags hold 27rds, ( 26 reloadable ). The range master came by and asked to see how I had restricted them to the legal 10rds. I showed him the metal adapter riveted to the inside back of the mag tube, and he was satisfied, commenting that they had disqualified a shooter in the past, and someone (?) had alerted the local constabulary who were waiting to speak to the individual after his squad was finished.
Otherwise I'm pretty sure you could go thru the rest of your life without ever encountering a 'mag capacity roadside spot check' on your way home from the range some Saturday afternoon....:)
 
Absolutely...there are a few of them out there. Swollen by their own importance. Some are even RO's since it gives them a sense of power and authority otherwise missing in their lives I suppose.
However I must say, at my most recent shoot, ( indoor of course...), had the pleasure of one of the most well balanced RO's ever, he was confident in his ability to control the situation, and give a 'knowing look', when I arrived at the firing line minus my gun, having made a running pit stop just prior to being next up, got distracted by a fellow shooter who just had to tell me how he messed up the stage, ran right past the safety area to the line in response to my name being called....and the rest is history. Pretty embarrassing but a good laugh for all, including me eventually....
 
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