11-87 and other semis

IanC

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Ive been thinking about getting another semi this summer. Currently i shoot a beater 1100 it suits my needs more or less but is 2 3/4 only.

I havent seen much chatter about the 11-87s. Are people just so happy they have no comment? I was reading the rem site and they state its got a different system then the 1100 and will handle all shells from 3.5 to 2 3/4 light trap loads. Am i gonna like it as much as what ive already got? I primarily shoot trap.
What do good condition 2 3/4 1100s go for used?

Also my boss is looking for a new semi as well. He said he wants to buy a benelli Black eagle. I asked if he would only take it out 2 times a year and he said yeah. So i figured he didnt need it. He has back problems and cannot handle a lot of recoil. Can anyone suggest a soft shooting gun thats a little more reasonable. He wants 3.5 inch so he can shoot it all.
Thanks
 
If the goal is soft shooting gun with a 3-1/2" chamber the Beretta Xtrema is the pick of the litter with the Browning Gold being a very close second choice. Both of them are gas operated while the Benelli is a recoil operated gun that is relatively light and will kick harder.

The 11-87 is a good gun but both the Browning and Beretta offerings are better IMHO. If you shoot primarily trap and don't need the 3-1/2" capacity the better gun is the 391 Urika. I own one and it's reliable with very light target loads that might not function in the Xtrema.
 
Benelli SBEII is the best ... I just sold my Beretta and my Gold Hunter 3 1/2...
The SBEII is much much lighter than the Gas guns... cycles faster with less muzzle jump... and kicks only slightly harder... primarily because the weight difference.
Sorry Clay... but the Xtrema is a club compared to the SBEII:p ;)
Serious Duckhunters will tell you to use the SBE for shooting and the Extrema for paddling:D
 
BIGREDD said:
Sorry Clay... but the Xtrema is a club compared to the SBEII:p ;)
Serious Duckhunters will tell you to use the SBE for shooting and the Extrema for paddling:D
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We agree that when it comes to handling the Benelli is a better gun. But if the goal is soft shooting the SBEII isn't the best choice. It also isn't the best if you want to shoot everything. A recoil action set up for 3-1/2 isn't good for light target loads unless only shooting singles trap.

I like the Benelli guns for waterfowl and if I wanted a gun just to shoot ducks and geese that would be my choice. My semi is a 391 Urika because it does duty as a back up/loaner clays gun. I can live with the limitations of 3" shells and pick my shots accordingly.

A semi-auto shotgun to "do it all" requires some compromise. Being a jack of all trades means also being the master of none.;)
 
Thanks for the replies.
The boss is looking primarily for a water foul gun and the least amount of recoil is really the key for him.

Myself I will look into the Urika for the trap line.
IanC
 
Concur that the Beretta Extrema 2 KO is likely the softest with the big shells, and they "handle" just fine ! Sufficient weight and mass for a nice smooth swing and they balance well. They're waterfowl guns, not target guns ... but each to his own. Mark me down for a J391F28 - an A391 Extrema 2 KO in Max 4 HD camo. Pass on the Benelli ! ( This after 35 years of serious waterfowling ! )

The AL391 Urika Trap Optima should very well fit your requirements for a semi-auto Trap Gun, and IMHO is a better choice as a target gun than the Remingtons.
 
Model 105CTi

Anyone know anything about Remington's new Model 105CTi ?

It's looks good and only weights 7 lb, they claim 48% less recoil.
 
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IanC said:
Thanks for the replies.
The boss is looking primarily for a water foul gun and the least amount of recoil is really the key for him.

Myself I will look into the Urika for the trap line.
IanC
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If your boss wants very light recoil have him try the Baikal MP-153. I was amazed at how very little recoil it had. It makes for easy follow-up shots (not that I need any:p ).

My choices were between the Remington 11-87 and the Baikal. I really don't regret my purchase. That doesn't mean that I won't get an 11-87 somewhere down the road;)

If your boss is looking for something fancier then I guess Clays and Bigred's suggestions are what he should be looking into.



BT
 
Benelli is very good, but the Extrema2 is built like a formula One. I've had the 2 and the only problem I noticed for the extrema2, it's a bit on the heavy side for other things than duck (small game...)

As for the bailkal....no way...i'll never hunt with a Lada... If you want something russian, well, drink vodka and maybe it's gonna make you forget that your ever tought about buying a bailkal....!!!!
 
We had 3 11-87 SPS and sold them all, kept jamming, breaking O rings and a bent action. They were all brand new. Just our experience with them. So far no problems with SBE and Browning.
 
IntelGDR691 said:
As for the bailkal....no way...i'll never hunt with a Lada... If you want something russian, well, drink vodka and maybe it's gonna make you forget that your ever tought about buying a bailkal....!!!!
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Guess what, I wouldn't hunt with a Lada either. A bit too heavy to lug around in the field and I've never seen a car shoot anything, unless you mount a gun on it.

I am curious though as to what your experience has been with a Baikal?

Which one have you owned or tried out? What happened with it that makes you say what you said?

If you're just putting down a company for the sake of putting it down with unqualified comments I suggest that you keep those comments to yourself as many people buy and use Baikals and are very satisfied with them (like I am).

I certainly wouldn't put down Benellis as I own one myself and the one I own is great. I wouldn't make any comments (good or bad) on the other firearms until I have had any experience with them.

Comparing a reliable Russian firearm company to a different Russian company that made unreliable cars is simply ignorant and useless in terms of helping your fellow CGN'ers to make a choice for a firearm.

Just my 2 cents.



BT
 
Originally Posted by IntelGDR691

As for the bailkal....no way...i'll never hunt with a Lada
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Lada cars are nothing more than an Italian Fiat with a better suspension (for rough Russian roads).

Italian design, Italian technology and Italian machinery imported by the Russians to locally produce Ladas (Fiats) under licence...

So If you go by your logic, you should not be using Berettas, Benellis or any other Italian Shotguns....
 
Easy guys... didn't mean to effend you.... looks like you own shares in this company.... and yes I have used a bailkal. It was a 410 ga (IJ-18) and fore sure it can shoot, but i didn't like it and i should have saved the money to buy something else. So i did not make any ignorant comments... My goal was to give fellow gunnuts my opinion on a product that was discussed.

As for the comparaison with Fiat, the design and the tooling maybe were italian, but there must have been something wrong somewhere because the result was not very good....

One last thing, you don't need to have bought or driven a Lada to tell it was crap. I just had to look on the side of the road to see it...

Just my 2 cents
 
IntelGDR691 said:
Easy guys... didn't mean to effend you.... looks like you own shares in this company....
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If you take a request for you to qualify your statements as a sign that you've offended anyone...well...:rolleyes:

So i did not make any ignorant comments...
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Well actually you did. You compared a Lada (poorly made Russian car) to a Baikal (a reliable Russian firearm).

I'm glad you at least partially qualified your comment by providing information about the Baikal model that you used (a .410). Thank you.

However it is a totaly different model than the MP-153 so, again, your comment has nothing to do with the discussion at hand (i.e. it is about semi-autos).


My goal was to give fellow gunnuts my opinion on a product that was discussed...
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Well, at least you tried. Keep it up;)



BT
 
IntelGDR691,

There is growing number of Baikal fans in Canada who will come to defend their beloved guns. You should have expected that :)

I know a few people who were biased/prejudiced against anything that had "made in Russia" written on it. After doing their research/homework these people bought the MP-153, and just like me are extremely pleased with it.

I am not a big Baikal fan, actually I am a fan of TOZ firearms (Baikal's biggest competitor elsewhere). But I like my MP-153 very much and I strongly believe that it is the semi-auto that has the best price/quality coefficient on the market. With this shotgun, you get more than what you paid for. The video clip posted earlier by LeePeterson is just one example of the many tests/articles/reviews done on or written about this product.

We all have our own tastes and preferences. To each his own. But a Baikal is not a Lada, a Beretta is not a Fiat and a Remington is not a Ford.

BTW, I had a Fiat many many years ago. That thing was nothing but trouble. You may have seen me on the side of the road :rolleyes: .... But that does not deter me from buying a Beretta.
 
It all comes up to what your are looking for and the caracteristics you want. Basically, any firearms on the market will shoot. I'am a remington fan and, believe me, i would never dare buying a model 710 :eek:

Gentlemens, one thing i've learned since i'm buying, selling and exchanging firearms (like we all do :) ), is that i'm way to poor to buy cheap. It always comes up to the same ending: i'm selling the damn thing (and loose money) and I take some more money out of my pocket to buy better. At first, it would have been way cheaper to buy the weapons i thought was the "best" that i could afford. Where I live, i'va seen people buying stoeger (benelli copy made in Turkey) and wanted to trow the gun out of the boat after it jammed repeatedly....:confused:

That was my experience. If you want something, maybe wait a bit, put money aside and buy something that is a proven reliable high quality gun. In the end, it is going to be less expensive. :cool:
 
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