11-87 and other semis
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Remington is only importing the sxs, o/u and double rifles not the semi-autos. The fact that Remington is bringing them in is only proof that they can't make an o/u in that price range. Given their recent history with o/us it might be said they can't make a decent o/u in any price range.marlin said:
The Baikals, TOZ and the Stoeger are not at the bottom end of the price range by accident. They are there because they do not have the same build quality as the Berettas, Benellis or Brownings no matter how many times Tozman insists otherwise.
Claybuster said:Remington is only importing the sxs, o/u and double rifles not the semi-autos. The fact that Remington is bringing them in is only proof that they can't make an o/u in that price range. Given their recent history with o/us it might be said they can't make a decent o/u in any price range.
The Baikals, TOZ and the Stoeger are not at the bottom end of the price range by accident. They are there because they do not have the same build quality as the Berettas, Benellis or Brownings no matter how many times Tozman insists otherwise.
You are wrong again.
Remington does import and sell the Baikal MP-153 semi-auto. It is called The Remington SPR-453. Here it is : http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR453_autoloader.asp
You can also find it in Remington's product catalog.
You just need to do a little bit more research before tapping on your keyboard
I stand corrected. My information was based on a conversation a year ago with a Remington Rep who said they had no plans to bring in the semi-autos. Clearly my information was incorrect but then I don't keep track of the various ins and outs of lesser guns. Congratulations and enjoy the moment.Tozman said:You are wrong again.
Remington does import and sell the Baikal MP-153 semi-auto. It is called The Remington SPR-453. Here it is : http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR453_autoloader.asp
You can also find it in Remington's product catalog.
You just need to do a little bit more research before tapping on your keyboard
Claybuster said:
Claybuster,
You had to squeeze in that "lesser" word eh ?
I have a feeling that if we actually meet one day we might have a good laugh about this "expensive vs inexpensive shotguns" discussions that we had a couple of times.
I believe in face to face discussions where the personalities and characters of the people involved can have a huge influence. Discussion forums on the internet lack that dimension unfortunately.
Anyways, I wish that you brake lots of clays this summer and enjoy the sport as much as possible.
As for me I am leaving shortly for a couple days of "lesser" turkey hunting with my "lesser" shotgun
All the best to you.
All statements are made and should be taken with tongue in cheek although the lesser guns remark was undeserved.Tozman said:Claybuster,
You had to squeeze in that "lesser" word eh ?
I have a feeling that if we actually meet one day we might have a good laugh about this "expensive vs inexpensive shotguns" discussions that we had a couple of times.
I believe in face to face discussions where the personalities and characters of the people involved can have a huge influence. Discussion forums on the internet lack that dimension unfortunately.
Anyways, I wish that you brake lots of clays this summer and enjoy the sport as much as possible.
As for me I am leaving shortly for a couple days of "lesser" turkey hunting with my "lesser" shotgun
All the best to you.
In the final analysis (and I've posted this before) the target whether clay or feathered doesn't know how much your gun cost only whether the pellets are on the mark. That part of the equation is entirely up to the shooter.
Best of luck on your turkey hunt. Let us know how it turns out.
Thanks for all the info and posts guys....Its been helpful.
I told my boss al Flaritys has the benelli eagle for $1500 He seems set on
one and from what ive heard with good cause.
Been looking around at prices and dont really think the Urika 391 is in my price range. Im looking for a gun for myself that is well built and accurate with the addition of a riser stock that i can break a lot of birds with. In the price range of a new 11-87 or less if possible. After reading remingtons website could i get a wood stock for the Baikal and go to town. I see you can set the gas system for diff shells. Plus i actually like a matte finnish. Ive got a stigmatisim and whatever softes glare is the best. I like trap but dont wanna sink that much into it want to get a best bang for the $ gun. Right now im a student. Mabey i should keep shooting my beater 1100 for another year and then start looking. It works great but its so damn FUGLY!
You gotta see the stock up close I got it for free in the deal. A guy cut the riser on a knot or somthing so a big chunk broke off. Luckily it doesnt affect the cheek rest. Also i think im the first owner to lube it in 30 years. It also wears a beretta pad..lol
Do i need to worry about replacing the stock spring or recoil mechanisims?
It works great for trap but sometimes it doesnt eject when shooting doubles
Thanks
Picture does it no justice..In person it is has lots of scratches and tonnes of bluing missing NO RUST
I told my boss al Flaritys has the benelli eagle for $1500 He seems set on
one and from what ive heard with good cause.
Been looking around at prices and dont really think the Urika 391 is in my price range. Im looking for a gun for myself that is well built and accurate with the addition of a riser stock that i can break a lot of birds with. In the price range of a new 11-87 or less if possible. After reading remingtons website could i get a wood stock for the Baikal and go to town. I see you can set the gas system for diff shells. Plus i actually like a matte finnish. Ive got a stigmatisim and whatever softes glare is the best. I like trap but dont wanna sink that much into it want to get a best bang for the $ gun. Right now im a student. Mabey i should keep shooting my beater 1100 for another year and then start looking. It works great but its so damn FUGLY!
You gotta see the stock up close I got it for free in the deal. A guy cut the riser on a knot or somthing so a big chunk broke off. Luckily it doesnt affect the cheek rest. Also i think im the first owner to lube it in 30 years. It also wears a beretta pad..lol
Do i need to worry about replacing the stock spring or recoil mechanisims?
It works great for trap but sometimes it doesnt eject when shooting doubles
Thanks
Picture does it no justice..In person it is has lots of scratches and tonnes of bluing missing NO RUST
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Yep. That stock is sure FUGLY I had an 1100 for 25 years and used it for everything. Still worked fine when I sold it for $200 but it was more FUGLY than yours. All joking aside the 1100/11-87's are fine guns. Lots of newer models out there that are better designs and or cheaper(less expensive) but I still stick with the Rem's. I own an 11-87 Premier Skeet and a 1100 and have fired lots of rounds. I won't say that they never break or malfunction but I will say that they are dammed reliable if cleaned and maintained regularly. The design is so simple that even the mechanicaly challenged can change parts (and there's millions of spare parts out there) or fix minor problems. No need for a smith when you own a Rem.
I had an 1100 for 25 years and used it for everything. Still worked fine when I sold it for $200 but it was more FUGLY than yours. All joking aside the 1100/11-87's are fine guns. Lots of newer models out there that are better designs and or cheaper(less expensive) but I still stick with the Rem's. I own an 11-87 Premier Skeet and a 1100 and have fired lots of rounds. I won't say that they never break or malfunction but I will say that they are dammed reliable if cleaned and maintained regularly. The design is so simple that even the mechanicaly challenged can change parts (and there's millions of spare parts out there) or fix minor problems. No need for a smith when you own a Rem.Hey Bat
Gotta agree with your last statement about not needing a smith.
All my shotguns so far are remy's. Almost seems like i shouldnt change it.
I really like the shape and simple design too. They are so distinctive.
The 11-87 premier is what i was thinking. I take it you are just as happy with it as you are you 1100 yes?
Gotta agree with your last statement about not needing a smith.
All my shotguns so far are remy's. Almost seems like i shouldnt change it.
I really like the shape and simple design too. They are so distinctive.
The 11-87 premier is what i was thinking. I take it you are just as happy with it as you are you 1100 yes?
Like the old 1100 just fine. The 11-87 has the advantage of choke tubes while the old Remy has fixed Skeet. Nearly everything else is the same and interchangeable,except barrels. These are heavy guns in 12ga. and just what I want in a target gun. Get a little heavy after a few hours in the field though. If I was a fanatic upland hunter I might go for the 20ga. Remy.
Ahsan Ahmed
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IMHO, for the current price range those Baikal MP-153 certainly offer/deliver more value as a rugged/efficient hunting tool (and for the range as well).
This is from experience, with a Benelli M2 + the Baikal.....both perform equally well in their own way
This is from experience, with a Benelli M2 + the Baikal.....both perform equally well in their own way
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I find my brother's 11-87 Premium Skeet to be very heavy compared to my Gold 3.5"
Very well made though. Try as many as you can get your mitts on and decide from there.
Very well made though. Try as many as you can get your mitts on and decide from there.
